Ammo box game recommendations ?

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Ammo box game recommendations ?

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Hey guys, this may be a silly question and I'm definitely not so naive as to think that the game animals listed on ammo boxes are any kind of hard and fast rule, however..... looking at the recommended list on two different calibers of the same brand, type and weight ammo did get me thinking about bullet construction based on caliber. So here it goes.

I've had boxes of winchester 150gr. 30-30 power-points around for years. And the boxes always say "deer & black bear".
I recently acquired a 300 sav and picked up a couple boxes of winchester 150gr. 300 sav. power-points and the boxes say, "deer, antelope & wild boar".

So what's the difference? Why no bear on the 300 sav? Are they more lightly constructed than the 30-30 P-P? I can see not recommending the 30-30 for antelope as it's not really a long range round (I think maybe I read that shots at antelopes tend to be longer ranges, but being in the east I wouldn't know). And I don't know what to make of the inclusion of wild boar. Just seems like a strange list to me.

Anyways just wondering I should read into the differences in the game animals listed on the boxes. Thanks.
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Owning a Mossy in 30-30, 99 in 300 Savage, and an 88 in .308 Win I can say that with all shooting 150grn bullets, the 300 Savage's velocity is about 2/3 the way to the .308's 2,840fps over the 30-30's. That may be part of the reason that antelope are added as out here in the west they are typically found in open country and at long range.

Actually, I'd think that my 99 wouldn't be my first choice for antelope because it's not a flat enough shooter. The second reason for the change in suggested game on the box is current opinions. Modern hunters have almost all come to believe that a higher velocity, more powerful caliber is needed these days. When I was young, my 30-06 was considered perfectly fine for deer, elk, bear, and moose but today it's all about the 300 Win Mag for deer and elk and even bigger for moose and bear.

I guess with all the climate change, pollution, and political unrest the game have gotten thicker skinned, more resistant, and more mean . . . . . . sort of like the Libs! :o :lol:
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COSteve wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:26 pm
I guess with all the climate change, pollution, and political unrest the game have gotten thicker skinned, more resistant, and more mean . . . . . . sort of like the Libs! :o :lol:
Yep. The other day I shot a deer clean in half and both halves got away!

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30-30 is worthless on deer! I know because a good friend of mine, who has since crossed the Great Divide, had killed 28 ELK with a model 64 Winchester in 30-30.

Just use common sense as to the distances, what animal, along with shot placement. Both of your cartridges are good for about anything in N.A. within reasonable ranges. The names companies put on boxes for regular big game hunting are for marketing.....what to watch for is bullet weight and construction.......in other words, don't use 30 caliber 110 grain hollow points on a bear or 30 caliber 168 grain b.t.h.p.match bullets for elk.

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Yeah but a 22 short betwixt the ribs into the air bladders will kill anything in this country. Don't matter if the bullet misses the vitals- it ain't gonna do the job humanely.
Pick your shot placement and any .30 will get it done!

I remember reading Ackley shooting wild donkeys with wildcat 17s- head shots mostly.
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Seems to me that those recommendations are mostly marketing. Sure the manufacturer tests the bullets, but how much of that is on live game? Some probably. Still, the part I look for is what the bullet construction is.
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Darn it................ :(

I thought you were planning to come up with an alternative to Monopoly -- you know, a fun board or card game for hunters & shooters.

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You know that Monopoly could at one time be special ordered with the names on the board in the buyers choice. The cost was a more, but it was an option.
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