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Re: I Like My New Peep Sight On My Rossi So Much . . . .
Makes for a nice slick gun!!
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Re: I Like My New Peep Sight On My Rossi So Much . . . .
Nice! I've been thinking about a Skinner for my Henry 41. No ill have to think harder!
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Re: I Like My New Peep Sight On My Rossi So Much . . . .
COSteve, did you need a different front sight?
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Re: I Like My New Peep Sight On My Rossi So Much . . . .
Steve,
Here that info from the article by Col. Col. Townsend Whelen. Notice the aperture rear/aperture front groups.
Why choose a peep sight for Rifles?
Col.Townsend Whelen
All military battle rifles and many "Dangerous Game Guns" have been fitted with peep sights for at least the last 70 years. There is a good reason for this. They are the fastest and most accurate iron sight you can put on your rifle.
Here is some information on sighting errors as put forth by no less than, Col.Townsend Whelen, in his book on reloading, "Why Not Load Your Own," published in 1949 when the use of telescopic sights was a rarity. With normal eyesight, either naturally or corrected by glasses, he found that the following list applied at a distance of 100 yards:
Open Rear Sight: Accuracy is unpredictable due to lighting conditions (shoots away from side lighting, and high for overhead mid-day conditions).
Aperture Rear, Gold or Ivory front: 1.5 -2"
Aperture Rear, Black Post front: 1"
Aperture Rear, Aperture front: 1/2 to 3/4"
2-1/2x Scope: 1/4-1/2"
6x Scope: 1/8" to 1/4"
10x Scope: 1/16" to 1/8"
20x Scope: Practically None.
As you can see from the information above, the ability to sight using a aperture sight exceeds the accuracy of most rifles.
Here that info from the article by Col. Col. Townsend Whelen. Notice the aperture rear/aperture front groups.
Why choose a peep sight for Rifles?
Col.Townsend Whelen
All military battle rifles and many "Dangerous Game Guns" have been fitted with peep sights for at least the last 70 years. There is a good reason for this. They are the fastest and most accurate iron sight you can put on your rifle.
Here is some information on sighting errors as put forth by no less than, Col.Townsend Whelen, in his book on reloading, "Why Not Load Your Own," published in 1949 when the use of telescopic sights was a rarity. With normal eyesight, either naturally or corrected by glasses, he found that the following list applied at a distance of 100 yards:
Open Rear Sight: Accuracy is unpredictable due to lighting conditions (shoots away from side lighting, and high for overhead mid-day conditions).
Aperture Rear, Gold or Ivory front: 1.5 -2"
Aperture Rear, Black Post front: 1"
Aperture Rear, Aperture front: 1/2 to 3/4"
2-1/2x Scope: 1/4-1/2"
6x Scope: 1/8" to 1/4"
10x Scope: 1/16" to 1/8"
20x Scope: Practically None.
As you can see from the information above, the ability to sight using a aperture sight exceeds the accuracy of most rifles.
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Steve's Guns aka "Rossi 92 Specialists"
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Email; steve@stevesgunz.com
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Re: I Like My New Peep Sight On My Rossi So Much . . . .
I have four sight setups for my various leverguns:
1. the 16" ones generally get a Marbles 'Bullseye' aperture sight and either a gold-bead front (Marlins) or a FireSight (Williams) front (Rossis). This is the fastest and most durable sight I've ever seen, and once zeroed, stays put and allows fast 'snap-shooting' OR a slightly-slower precision sighting able to get sub-inch groups at 25 yards. Good for a 'home-protection' or 'barnyard' levergun, or a whitetail hunting setup.
2. the 24" ones generally get a Marbles or Taurus (clone of Marbles at 1/4 the price, if you can find one) Tang sight on the rear, and a Lyman 'globe' front sight. That setup enables precision shooting in a 'vintage' style setup appropriate for the 24" octagon leverguns I have.
3. the in-between 20" guns are probably the most 'practical', and I usually set them up with a Williams FP (or the more expensive but not-really-better Lyman equivalent), and once sighted-in, I remove the rear aperture and 'ghost-ring' it for better dim-light performance. The front will be a gold-bead on the Marlins, and a FireSight (Williams) on Rossis or others. This setup is great for hunting, and easily delivers 4" groups at 100 yards in hunting conditions (dim twilight).
4. the other setup is for a 'household' gun, and is NOT 'traditional' - it will involve a LaserMax laser and a Burris Fastfire-2 holographic micro-sight, along with some sort of 500 or more lumen light. I've made several iterations of this 'Night-Scout' levergun, and the technology of lasers and lights keeps improving so the guns do too.
If I could just have one levergun I suppose it would be a 45 Colt or 44 Mag in 16" format, and I'd have a Burris Fastfire-2 and LaserMax laser along with a 500 lumen (or more) flashlight. That would do for home protection, and simply removing the light would make it legal for hunting, and very practical as well. If you've not used a holosight or red-dot, try one - they offer better dim-light utility, better focusing for 'old eyes', and are very reliable. The laser may seem silly, but in dim light, it can make sure you don't have intervening brush when hunting, and can help verify target better than red-dot alone if you're dealing with farmstead pests at night.
The Skinner is another 'aperture' option. I like the Williams because it is easier to adjust, and 'repeatable' if you change loads, as well as having 'windage' instead of just elevation. It is slightly more bulky but not much more so.
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1. the 16" ones generally get a Marbles 'Bullseye' aperture sight and either a gold-bead front (Marlins) or a FireSight (Williams) front (Rossis). This is the fastest and most durable sight I've ever seen, and once zeroed, stays put and allows fast 'snap-shooting' OR a slightly-slower precision sighting able to get sub-inch groups at 25 yards. Good for a 'home-protection' or 'barnyard' levergun, or a whitetail hunting setup.
2. the 24" ones generally get a Marbles or Taurus (clone of Marbles at 1/4 the price, if you can find one) Tang sight on the rear, and a Lyman 'globe' front sight. That setup enables precision shooting in a 'vintage' style setup appropriate for the 24" octagon leverguns I have.
3. the in-between 20" guns are probably the most 'practical', and I usually set them up with a Williams FP (or the more expensive but not-really-better Lyman equivalent), and once sighted-in, I remove the rear aperture and 'ghost-ring' it for better dim-light performance. The front will be a gold-bead on the Marlins, and a FireSight (Williams) on Rossis or others. This setup is great for hunting, and easily delivers 4" groups at 100 yards in hunting conditions (dim twilight).
4. the other setup is for a 'household' gun, and is NOT 'traditional' - it will involve a LaserMax laser and a Burris Fastfire-2 holographic micro-sight, along with some sort of 500 or more lumen light. I've made several iterations of this 'Night-Scout' levergun, and the technology of lasers and lights keeps improving so the guns do too.
If I could just have one levergun I suppose it would be a 45 Colt or 44 Mag in 16" format, and I'd have a Burris Fastfire-2 and LaserMax laser along with a 500 lumen (or more) flashlight. That would do for home protection, and simply removing the light would make it legal for hunting, and very practical as well. If you've not used a holosight or red-dot, try one - they offer better dim-light utility, better focusing for 'old eyes', and are very reliable. The laser may seem silly, but in dim light, it can make sure you don't have intervening brush when hunting, and can help verify target better than red-dot alone if you're dealing with farmstead pests at night.
The Skinner is another 'aperture' option. I like the Williams because it is easier to adjust, and 'repeatable' if you change loads, as well as having 'windage' instead of just elevation. It is slightly more bulky but not much more so.
Leverguns are COOL...!
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Re: I Like My New Peep Sight On My Rossi So Much . . . .
Actually, I think the Williams 'FP' series aren't all that expensive - probably similar to the Skinners.
If the gun in question isn't drilled and tapped for the FP, though, you may need to spend $30 or so on a carbide bit and tap that fits the Williams FP screws.
If the gun in question isn't drilled and tapped for the FP, though, you may need to spend $30 or so on a carbide bit and tap that fits the Williams FP screws.
Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws
"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "