I Like My New Peep Sight On My Rossi So Much . . . .

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I Like My New Peep Sight On My Rossi So Much . . . .

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I decided to add a similar version from Skinner to my Mossy 464 carbine so I ordered one from them earlier this week. It came in the mail today and in just a few minutes the job was done.

It increases the sight radius almost 40% from 16" to 22", the same as my Rossi carbine. I also added a .040" aperture like my Rossi to take advantage of the DoF increase. Magically, like my Rossi, the 'fuzz' that had grown on the front sight the last few decades is gone now.

I also got a .070" aperture as well so I have 3 different ones (including the .096" one it comes with) for it. I'm going to the range tomorrow to give it a run along with my Rossi and expect that 200 yd targets will now be in mortal jeopardy as they are with my other leverguns with target apertures on them.

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Makes for a nice slick gun!!



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Nice! I've been thinking about a Skinner for my Henry 41. No ill have to think harder!
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COSteve, did you need a different front sight?
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Steve,
Here that info from the article by Col. Col. Townsend Whelen. Notice the aperture rear/aperture front groups.

Why choose a peep sight for Rifles?
Col.Townsend Whelen

All military battle rifles and many "Dangerous Game Guns" have been fitted with peep sights for at least the last 70 years. There is a good reason for this. They are the fastest and most accurate iron sight you can put on your rifle.


Here is some information on sighting errors as put forth by no less than, Col.Townsend Whelen, in his book on reloading, "Why Not Load Your Own," published in 1949 when the use of telescopic sights was a rarity. With normal eyesight, either naturally or corrected by glasses, he found that the following list applied at a distance of 100 yards:

Open Rear Sight: Accuracy is unpredictable due to lighting conditions (shoots away from side lighting, and high for overhead mid-day conditions).
Aperture Rear, Gold or Ivory front: 1.5 -2"
Aperture Rear, Black Post front: 1"
Aperture Rear, Aperture front: 1/2 to 3/4"
2-1/2x Scope: 1/4-1/2"
6x Scope: 1/8" to 1/4"
10x Scope: 1/16" to 1/8"
20x Scope: Practically None.
As you can see from the information above, the ability to sight using a aperture sight exceeds the accuracy of most rifles.
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I have four sight setups for my various leverguns:

1. the 16" ones generally get a Marbles 'Bullseye' aperture sight and either a gold-bead front (Marlins) or a FireSight (Williams) front (Rossis). This is the fastest and most durable sight I've ever seen, and once zeroed, stays put and allows fast 'snap-shooting' OR a slightly-slower precision sighting able to get sub-inch groups at 25 yards. Good for a 'home-protection' or 'barnyard' levergun, or a whitetail hunting setup.

2. the 24" ones generally get a Marbles or Taurus (clone of Marbles at 1/4 the price, if you can find one) Tang sight on the rear, and a Lyman 'globe' front sight. That setup enables precision shooting in a 'vintage' style setup appropriate for the 24" octagon leverguns I have.

3. the in-between 20" guns are probably the most 'practical', and I usually set them up with a Williams FP (or the more expensive but not-really-better Lyman equivalent), and once sighted-in, I remove the rear aperture and 'ghost-ring' it for better dim-light performance. The front will be a gold-bead on the Marlins, and a FireSight (Williams) on Rossis or others. This setup is great for hunting, and easily delivers 4" groups at 100 yards in hunting conditions (dim twilight).

4. the other setup is for a 'household' gun, and is NOT 'traditional' - it will involve a LaserMax laser and a Burris Fastfire-2 holographic micro-sight, along with some sort of 500 or more lumen light. I've made several iterations of this 'Night-Scout' levergun, and the technology of lasers and lights keeps improving so the guns do too.

If I could just have one levergun I suppose it would be a 45 Colt or 44 Mag in 16" format, and I'd have a Burris Fastfire-2 and LaserMax laser along with a 500 lumen (or more) flashlight. That would do for home protection, and simply removing the light would make it legal for hunting, and very practical as well. If you've not used a holosight or red-dot, try one - they offer better dim-light utility, better focusing for 'old eyes', and are very reliable. The laser may seem silly, but in dim light, it can make sure you don't have intervening brush when hunting, and can help verify target better than red-dot alone if you're dealing with farmstead pests at night.

The Skinner is another 'aperture' option. I like the Williams because it is easier to adjust, and 'repeatable' if you change loads, as well as having 'windage' instead of just elevation. It is slightly more bulky but not much more so.

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Thanks Nate for that information. Doc, it's clear that you've got more resources than me so while I'm unable to compete with your choices, I'm still tickled with my results.

All I can say after my outing Sunday with my Mossy and my Rossi is that the difference in shooting accuracy at 200yds with both my 20" .357mag Rossi carbine and now my 20" 30-30 Mossy carbine using the .040" apertures is spectacular vs the accuracy I could produce with the Marbles semi-buckhorn rear sights both had before. I need the DoF increase they produce with my 73 yr old eyes and the difference between the two is nothing short of amazing!! BTW, using a 1/16" front post is akin to a .0625" National Match front blade so with the rear aperture I've got real precision, target sights on both carbines.

Hoping that the Mossy would do as well as the Rossi does, I took them both out on Sunday and had a ball. I know that neither carbine is meant to be a 200yd shooter but I figured, "What the heck." and have sighted in both at that range. The results are well beyond my expectations and even beyond my best hope. All that 'fuzz' that had 'grown' on the front sights over the decades as well as the blurry target area has magically disappeared and now both the sights and the target area are crystal clear. That means that I'm now able to shoot both carbines with the same kind of sighting precision I had back some 50 yrs ago.

Yes, they aren't adjustable but actually, that's what I wanted. I learned to shoot with irons 60 yrs ago using 'Kentucky Windage' for various ranges and it's something I have always been able to do fairly well. I specifically want a small, simple, aperture that increases my DoF and both sights deliver that. And, both sights allow for the quick removal of the aperture giving a .125" ghost sight or a swap with either a .070" or .096" apertures I have and could carry in my pocket. So reducing light conditions during the day aren't an issue for me.
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Actually, I think the Williams 'FP' series aren't all that expensive - probably similar to the Skinners.

If the gun in question isn't drilled and tapped for the FP, though, you may need to spend $30 or so on a carbide bit and tap that fits the Williams FP screws.
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4t5 wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:19 pm
COSteve, did you need a different front sight?
Sorry, I missed this question.

No, I didn't need a new front sight on either my Rossi .357 or my Mossy 30-30.
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Thanks Bud!
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