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..."For public safety reasons, your cooperation in this matter is essential..."

https://gunowners.org/wp-content/upload ... Letter.pdf

This is disturbing, but not surprising...

More from GOA - https://gunowners.org/na10072020/

Looks like NSSF got blindsided by it - https://www.shotbusiness.com/story/nssf ... ol-braces/
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My only question was why did it take them so long. I mean, everyone I know who shoots was saying that the 'arm braces' were just a gimmick to try to get around the SBR rule. Challenge the good ol boys at the ATF and they'll eventually come after ya. I don't know how they think but they are all bureaucrats after all.
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I may not have one, but I will fight legislatively to keep them. I don't like too many restrictions.
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Yeah, given that you can get extremely powerful handguns in everything from 500 S&W to 7mm Rem Mag, there is no unique advantage to a 'sawed-off-rifle' in terms of criminal type use versus a handgun - just look at the stats as to what type of guns criminals use most - ordinary handguns (not even particularly powerful ones). A brace, used on the arm, makes the bulkier guns easier to shoot, and used against the shoulder, easier and more accurate. What is bad about accuracy...???

The ATF was created to enforce alcohol prohibition, and make sure taxes got paid; when prohibition was repealed, the unit should have been abolished, but of course government-created jobs are perpetual, so they morphed into a new role, fighting 'gun crime' - which was only 'needed' because prohibition ALWAYS leads to crime (whether alcohol or other 'drugs'). Crime is down now, so we don't need them for that.

If they want to have a specialized unit for people trafficking in explosives or stuff like that, fine, but there is no reason to micro-manage what kinds of rifles, handguns, and shotguns law-abiding citizens own.
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This is precisely the reason I've never set one up this way nor bought a bump-fire stock nor an abbreviated "shockwave or tac-13" type scattergun.

I've suspected all along that these fads/trends were a conspiratorial set-up to disenfranchise gun owners enmasse.
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Ray wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:10 pm
I've suspected all along that these fads/trends were a conspiratorial set-up to disenfranchise gun owners enmasse.
Whether it was a setup, or "we" (the gunowners who bought them) set ourselves up, I always thought there were huge risks the decision would get reversed.

I literally first bumped into (pun intended) arm braces when I worked at SIG -- and back then, the rule was they "could not be used" against the shoulder. Even after the rule changed so they could touch the shoulder, I still wasn't keen on them.

Maybe I'm just old school..............................

But to me, most of those so-called pistols that are over 20" to 30" long with an "arm brace" that can touch the shoulder? Yeah, they're not a "pistol" to me, but I guess it doesn't matter what I call 'em...

One thing's for sure though, I do consider them all FUGLY.

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I, too, wondered about the "arm brace" fiction.
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I kinda figured that this would happen!
Sooo I went with the pricier SBR, if you consider the cost of the stamp and the hassle of the gubermit regulation chit.

Someday we might event be fighting for the right to have muzzle loaders if the friggen left have their way :evil:
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With what I have always had (mostly levers) I had no concerns with one, two, or even three intruders as, with a lever, I can shoot accurately faster than a lot of folks with a semi auto. BUT I had little confidence with 30 or 40 around my house....so I did succumb to the EBR. I had a pistol in mind but didn't know that much about them. Went to a local dealer that specializes in EBR and asked him to educate me. He took the time to do so and I walked out with a 16"; short enough for what I need but long enough to stay out of trouble (for now at least). I don't know if he had the current issue in mind (purchase was just last month) but glad he was looking out for me. He will continue to get my business.
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The issue with the "honey badger" is that the sbr version and pistol version are built identically with the only difference being a custom made brace specifically for it. The BATF actually approved these for release to the public and now with the new advisor (he is very anti 2A) they are suddenly illegal. I have no doubt ALL braces will eventually be banned unless the President steps in. That being said, NO other government agency gets to make "law" on a whim. It is completely unconstitutional and yet here we are.
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Gun owners don't push back enough - too many of us just figure our leverguns are safe and forget that once the sbr's are gone, the semiauto rifles will be next, then the semiauto pistols, and pretty soon the revolvers and leverguns.... :|
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An interview with the creator of the Honey Badger - https://youtu.be/nuNvgFfrcAI

....and an interview with the creator of the SB Arm Brace -
https://youtu.be/jJEHb5H37Do
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It was going to happen eventually.

Owners of AR style 'pistols' had to know that. If not, they are dumber than their guns are ugly.

I don't own an AR 'pistol', but no matter how short the barrel is, I don't think that they should be regulated.

The ATF should be dismantled. Defund the ATF.

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What guys are doing is pretending to be a gunsmith and "building" an AR and using a shorter than 16" barrel on it along with a pistol buffer and adding a brace. THAT is an SBR.....

The 300 B.O. on the right has an 8" barrel.......the receiver was bought and registered as a handgun. THAT is a handgun and any barrel length you want can be on it.----006

I carry the paperwork with it in case some cop thinks he is about to make a big class 3 bust....

As far as the brace is concerned it don't matter as it's a handgun...yea....like the atf is gonna follow you around to see if your putting it up to your shoulder. :D

The one on the left is a LWRC CSASS Reaper in .308...good for head shots out to 1000.

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They dont have to follow you around. All they need is a tip from some jackass at a range or even your neighborhood ,if you live where you can shoot, to report you.
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I will never preemptively ban myself from owning something because it may someday be banned by an activist gun grabber. I'm just not progressive enough to do something like that.
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Trailboss wrote:
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I will never preemptively ban myself from owning something because it may someday be banned by an activist gun grabber. I'm just not progressive enough to do something like that.
Yep. Avoiding 'controversy' is the way the liberals win.
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Like I said, I will fight legislatively for the right to have them. Not my style, but that is not the point.
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AJMD429 wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:59 am
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..."For public safety reasons, your cooperation in this matter is essential..."

https://gunowners.org/wp-content/upload ... Letter.pdf

This is disturbing, but not surprising...

More from GOA - https://gunowners.org/na10072020/

Looks like NSSF got blindsided by it - https://www.shotbusiness.com/story/nssf ... ol-braces/

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What I read is pages of redundant unimportant and obvious particulars on some gun no more dangerous than any other gun. References to a bunch of laws and acts each of which did nothing but reduce someone's freedom and give some overbloated public service department jobs wasting a whole pile of tax payers money. Finished off with autocratic threats regarding criminal action, tax assessments and partciuarly 'asset seizure' that would make a medieval monarchy proud. Imagine if you transported someone from ww1/ww2 into our era and showed them that letter- they would assume the germans had won.
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mickbr wrote:
Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:41 pm
Imagine if you transported someone from ww1/ww2 into our era and showed them that letter- they would assume the germans had won.
That is so true, and in many realms of our society.

We’d best win this election; even then it’s gonna be a long road back to freedom. But if we don’t win this election I don’t see any way (peacefully OR violently) that this country will ever recover.
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This is off the subject matter but beings there are people reading this post I see no reason to slop up the board with a separate post.

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Some pushback from the DOJ - - - https://www.tacticalshit.com/doj-trumps ... race-order

I like this quote from an interested party -

“I strongly suggest the reassignment of all offending rogue officers, attorneys, agents, and/or employees to areas of the Agency where they may not run wild with personal or prior administration’s agendas,” Kraut said in a letter sent to the White House and Justice Department.
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I saw the follow up too. Apparently this was all started by an ATF regional office and they have had their hand(s) slapped. It would be better if they were fired for usurping authority but little justice comes from The Justice Dept.
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