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Thinking again of buying an iron framed henry rifle and wondering if the Henry version is worth the price over the Uberti.Here in Canada the Henry version costs just about double what the a Uberti costs and the only real advantage I can see of the Henry is that they have a better customer service dept but it comes with a $4500 price tag
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To me ..... no. Not by a long shot. There comes a point where a manufacturers price is way out of line for the product. Henry's price went past that point for me.

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That s about the way I m starting to look at it as I could just about get a new shiloh Sharps for that kind of money
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You should understand that Henry Repeating Arms Co is not the original company of 1860 but rather just a modern arms company that bought the name so there is nothing 'original' about it. Yes, they make fine weapons but is their 1860 model better than Uberti's? I think not. Is their customer service better? Yes. But does that justify a list price of $2,514 for their New Original Henry vs Uberti's list price of $1,499 just so it's roll marked 'Henry'? Only you can decide that.

As to the worth to you of their New Original Henry Rare Carbine at a list price of $2,514, New Original Henry Iron-Framed at a list price of $2,943, New Original Henry Deluxe Engraved 3rd Edition at a list price of $3,739, or New Original Henry Silver Deluxe Engraved Edition at a list price of $3,959, only you can decide that as well.
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This is the uberti henry I m looking at I just love the case colour pattern on it

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A friend of mine had a Uberti Henry it was beautifully finished, I have never handled a Henry by the Henry Repeating Arms Co. so I can't compare them.
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My Uberti 1873 Special Sporting Rifle ain't no slouch either.

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Neither is my Uberti 1866 Yellowboy Carbine.

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barbarossa wrote:
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This is the uberti henry I m looking at I just love the case colour pattern on it

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That, is gorgeous!!

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That's a question you must ask yourself........first.......do you have the money to spend easily?.......do you really WANT a Henry? If you do, get the one made here as it was copied screw from screw from the original plus you will feel a little better knowing your dollars will stay here in the states. Going second fiddle will bother your conscience but that's only if you really WANT one.

Same reason why everyone who gets a Harley usually starts off with a Sportster when in the back of their mind they always wanted a Fat Boy which they ultimately end up getting. Guys who ride rice burners secretly wish it was a Harley.

As it's not an original your going to lose money no matter which one you buy but it won't be a lot. Look at the money we all put out for taxes and insurance and what do you get for it besides aggravation.

Wow! $4500. Must be for the deluxe version......the year was 1981 and I was holding an original military issue, complete with sling in very nice condition with cartouche.....I was buddies with the guy and he says, "to you, $4500".....that's a $45,000 gun today. In those days I didn't have two pennies to rub together.

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Where did you find the $4500.00 price?

Per the Henry web site, the MSRP for an iron frame Henry rifle, .44-40, is US $2943. https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/the-ori ... on-framed/

The brass frame Henry in 44-40 or .45 Colt is US $42514. https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/the-ori ... nry-rifle/

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Just my opinion, and not an expert's opinion. A brand new Henry is a nice gun which will not go up in value for a very long time, if it ever does. The extra price does not appear to reflect the same extra amount in quality. If you really want that one, then you should get it. If you are just comparison shopping for something to be used a few times per year, well, it seems that the Uberti may work just as well for your purposes.
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I can't see the Canadian dollar is worth half of our dollar...? Hasn't been that low an exchange rate in a long time. Or are you stuck with import fees?
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That would be with tax shipping and the dealer .We Don t get the prices here in Canada you get as there are t as many dealers for one thing so you basically have to live with what they bring in plus the government adds another 15 per cent
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OK, did not know you were in Canada.
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I've had a couple of Uberti Henry rifles and still have several Uberti/Cimarron 1866 and 1873 rifles.
I've seen and handled several "Henry Original" rifles at the guns stores but never owned or shot one.

Even at the same price, I'd buy an Uberti.

Both are replicas. The brand name is worth nothing, and the Ubertis have better fit and finish.
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MSRP is seldom reality. Try shopping around. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/878863285
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vancelw wrote:
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I've had a couple of Uberti Henry rifles and still have several Uberti/Cimarron 1866 and 1873 rifles.
I've seen and handled several "Henry Original" rifles at the guns stores but never owned or shot one.

Even at the same price, I'd buy an Uberti.

Both are replicas. The brand name is worth nothing, and the Ubertis have better fit and finish.
One of those replicas is American made. The company has legal ownership of the Henry name. That makes it more authentic than a "Genuine" Winchester made in Japan.
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Sorta like wanting a corvette, but a knowing a yugo will still get you to the store.
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765x53 wrote:
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One of those replicas is American made. The company has legal ownership of the Henry name. That makes it more authentic than a "Genuine" Winchester made in Japan.
....Except that the original guns made in the 1860s werent made by a company named Henry, its a modern company name trying to ride the coattails of an old but non-existent company, but bearing no connection to the original guns, even in that the original guns were made by the New haven Arms Co, which morphed into the Winchester Repeating Arms Co when they came out with the new 1866 model.

FWIW, the Brownings and current Winchesters made by Miroku have been some of the very best made guns ive seen or owned, and have zero problem with them, name semantics notwithstanding.
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Malamute wrote:
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765x53 wrote:
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One of those replicas is American made. The company has legal ownership of the Henry name. That makes it more authentic than a "Genuine" Winchester made in Japan.
....Except that the original guns made in the 1860s werent made by a company named Henry, its a modern company name trying to ride the coattails of an old but non-existent company, but bearing no connection to the original guns, even in that the original guns were made by the New haven Arms Co, which morphed into the Winchester Repeating Arms Co when they came out with the new 1866 model.

FWIW, the Brownings and current Winchesters made by Miroku have been some of the very best made guns ive seen or owned, and have zero problem with them, name semantics notwithstanding.
Exactly my point. Winchesters stopped being Winchesters in 1931 when the bankrupt company was purchased by Olin. And of course Browinings have never been Brownings. So, who is riding who's coattails?
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So, what is in a name, all historical variations.
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For what it is worth, both exteriors are well fit and finished. But the HRA Henry is just as nice on the inside as it is on the outside. I've been in both and the Uberti is not.
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Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
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For what it is worth, both exteriors are well fit and finished. But the HRA Henry is just as nice on the inside as it is on the outside. I've been in both and the Uberti is not.
Function to me is most important.
That said, fine fit and finish doesn't always equate to function. Fine fit and finish on a gun that doesn't work well is like a custom paint job on a Yugo. :roll:
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That's exactly my question with the henry version over the Uberti are you paying for pretty or are you paying for quality ,functionality and durability
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barbarossa wrote:
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That's exactly my question with the henry version over the Uberti are you paying for pretty or are you paying for quality ,functionality and durability
Like Nate and I have said, function ability alone with durability are foremost and first.....guaranteed, the Henry will outlast the Uberti and will retain its resell value much better......people today are more impressed with "how things look" compared with "how things work".....just look at anyone from Hollywood....all misfits but they are pretty!

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The Uberti will work with some judicial gunsmithing and save you a bundle over the HRA model. I would recommend you send it to Nate if you lived in the USA but the shipping costs from Canada to him are probably horrible (Nate, you still in TX? I can't remember other than you moved at one point.) If you have competant gunsmiths up there in Canada, might be something worth researching ahead of time and comparing total costs before you make your purchase since your obviously sensible. I believe Uberti uses chemical CCH but still pretty. Nate et al, please correct me if I'm wrong on that. But I believe that process is much easier on the steel than bone charcoal CCH which is a brutal heat/cold quench process (see YouTube). I looked into using bone charcoal CCH on my Win '88 project, but the steel receiver is very thin and I was told the process would destroy it. -Tutt
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I want neither ! If I ever decide to buy a “Henry” you can bet it’ll have been made in the 1860’s . I realize Uberti’s and the present day Henry’s have a place in the gun world but it’s just not in my accumulation .
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The Uberti will work with some judicial gunsmithing and save you a bundle over the HRA model. I would recommend you send it to Nate if you lived in the USA but the shipping costs from Canada to him are probably horrible (Nate, you still in TX? I can't remember other than you moved at one point.) If you have competant gunsmiths up there in Canada, might be something worth researching ahead of time and comparing total costs before you make your purchase since your obviously sensible. I believe Uberti uses chemical CCH but still pretty. Nate et al, please correct me if I'm wrong on that. But I believe that process is much easier on the steel than bone charcoal CCH which is a brutal heat/cold quench process (see YouTube). I looked into using bone charcoal CCH on my Win '88 project, but the steel receiver is very thin and I was told the process would destroy it. -Tutt
You were told correctly- to get good color case the material needs to be thicker so it doesn't warp at quench. I had a real nice Argentine Mauser action I decided to color case, when we pulled it out of the furnace and knocked the crucible lid off and dumped in the water tank all was well,great colors!!! Then I tried to put the bolt in when head spacing the barrel and the rear bridge twisted. When trying to torque it back into straight the bridge broke on the left side where it was thinnest. Had lots more work to do after that !
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Thank you GunnyMack. Its good to know my source was also correct. Thank you. -Tutt
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