Uberti vs Rossi lever quality in 357 and 44

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Uberti vs Rossi lever quality in 357 and 44

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Different action types, uberti has the 1873, Rossi the 1892 of course. Just wondered if the added price of uberti is reflected in quality or fit and finish? Rossis can be a bit of a lottery. I am currently in a warranty situation with one at the moment, and have been offered a refund by the store. As I dont load high pressures with 357 anyway I was considering paying the extra to upgrade to a Uberti 357mag 1873....do I or dont I. Does it buy into better fit, finish, less internal burrs, better bores or is it all just a name? I dont have any locally to look at
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Re: Uberti vs Rossi lever quality in 357 and 44

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Mick, sorry you are having issues with your Rossi, but in .357, I would personally prefer a Model 1892. The 1873 is a wonderful rifle with lots of carefully machined parts, but at the end of the day, the 92 is a whole lot stronger -- and lighter, if that matters. Now, if you were itching for a .44-40 to shooting with black powder loads a la our late friend John Kort, the '73 would get the nod.
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Re: Uberti vs Rossi lever quality in 357 and 44

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Thanks Bill. I only use 357 at low power, 20,000 PSI loads, 38+P with a little extra oomph. They get about 1200-1300fps with 110-135 grain bullets, like using a 9mm carbine. Quite effective on small medium game at 22LR ranges too.
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Re: Uberti vs Rossi lever quality in 357 and 44

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I've got 2 Rossi 357mags; a carbine and rifle as well as 2 Uberti 45 colts; a carbine and rifle so here's my take.

I got my 2 Rossis NIB in 2009 and after slicking them up with Steve's Gunz parts and video, they are smooth as glass and a joy to use. Smoother in fact than either of my stock Ubertis are even now with thousands of rds through all 4 of them. However, the Uberti's are prettier than my Rossis with nicer wood and better finish and they came from the factory with smoother actions out of the box due in large part to the design differences in the actions.

As I said, out of the box, the Ubertis are smoother, however, it costs you $58 for Steve's kit and DvD and a bit of time to slick up the Rossi while learning a lot about it which many find of value. Slicking up the Ubertis like many do for CASS is significantly more than that as you are talking new parts for lightened carrier and short throw kits. So, if CASS isn't in your plans, the Rossi will be cheaper to buy and cheaper to get right than the Ubertis.

Another difference of note is weight. My Ubertis, a 19" 1866 Yellowboy carbine and a 24" 1873 Special Sporting rifle, are considerable heavier than my Rossis which are also a 20" 1892 carbine and a 24" 1892 rifle. Even though the Uberti's have .45 cal bores which makes the barrels lighter than the .357mag version, the '66 carbine weighs 1lb 6oz more than the Rossi carbine even though it's got a 1" shorter barrel. The '73 rifle weighs 7oz more than the Rossi rifle.

The '66/'73's action is larger and heavier than the '92's by a whole lot and the octagon barrel in .357mag weighs a ton more than one bored in 45 Colt. Further, as you're likely talking about the carbine and carrying one around a lot is on the agenda, the Uberti in .357mag is going to weigh almost 2lbs more than the Rossi. Good for dampening recoil but bad for lugging it around and as you're talking about .38spl loads, you don't need to dampen the already soft recoil.
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Re: Uberti vs Rossi lever quality in 357 and 44

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Steve thanks for the reply. I had a Rossi 92 357 octagonal in 24" which was very nice but quite end heavy. A Winchester 1873 I inspected 'seemed' lighter, probably as its oct barrel was tapered. Id love Rossi to do a 24" inch in round barrel. I believe winchester/miroku had this configuration listed for 1892 but never saw any materialise.
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Re: Uberti vs Rossi lever quality in 357 and 44

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I have 3 Rossis and 3 Ubertis. 2 of the Rossis are .38/.357, the 3rd and all 3 Ubertis are 45 Colt. The Rossis were all slicked up and are nice guns to shoot and reliable, {all done before I'd heard of Nate Kiowa Jones (Steve's Gunz)}. I used the same approach to that action work that he does, (except the 1st one, and it's the smoothest, also the one that's shot the most of those 3).

The Ubertis have only received Slix Springs replacements for the lever, carrier spring and on the newest one, a trigger block safety spring. These are my main match guns for cowboy action shooting. They are better suited to fast quick shooting that the majority of cowboy action shooters prefer. The only additional work I've done on the Ubertis is to "clearance" the carrier to aid in allowing the buildup of black powder fouling to bind up the action. I got the 1st Rossi in 1985, one in 1989 and the last one in 2002. The Ubertis are from 1987, 2009 and 2014. The oldest by either maker is the best of its brethren. The Rossis are 2 carbines and one 20" short rifle, the Ubertis are two 24-¼" bbl rifles, and one 18-½" half round/half octagon bbl "Short Rifle".

I feel Uberti is the better of the two makers, and is reflected in the final product. Whether you smooth it up or not. Smoothing any of them up definity gain you improvements in the feel of the action. However, as in all things, this is simply opinion, and those can vary widely... Any example of either gun is representative on that particular gun. I've seen "lemons" in both!
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Re: Uberti vs Rossi lever quality in 357 and 44

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mickbr wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:58 am
Steve thanks for the reply. I had a Rossi 92 357 octagonal in 24" which was very nice but quite end heavy. A Winchester 1873 I inspected 'seemed' lighter, probably as its oct barrel was tapered. Id love Rossi to do a 24" inch in round barrel. I believe winchester/miroku had this configuration listed for 1892 but never saw any materialise.
While the 24" rifle is a bit barrel heavy, it's great for 'hanging on target' at longer ranges. My 24" is my longer range target rifle as I use it mostly for 300 yd steel plate shots or 200 yd 'precision' shots on bowling pins.

I don't take it out in the woods for a 'walk about' as I have my 20" carbine for that. My carbine goes out with my SA Cattleman pistol in .357Mag and is the perfect combination for mostly plinking and such.

The reason that the 1873 24" rifle seemed lighter is that the receiver is significantly heavier than the 1892's design so while it's heavier, it's balance is a bit better.
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