Finally Talked Myself Into It

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Finally Talked Myself Into It

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Well, I finally got off my duff and decided that my .357 Rossi 20" Carbine, while just great, needed me to admit that the rear sight is just too far from these old eyes to be of practical use to me anymore. So, I took the .040" aperture from the tang I have on my .357 Rossi 24" Rifle and taped it into position on top of the bolt safety plug to ensure that I'd be able to get my eye close enough to the sight aperture to use it and all is well. :D

After reviewing Steve's website, I ordered both his Adjustable Bolt-Mounted Blue Peep Sight Safety Replacement (blued) and a .040" Aperture. I didn't need the Dovetail Slot Blank as I already had one in my parts kit. With the new rear aperture sight, not only am I going to have a 40% longer sight radius (15.5" stock on a 20" carbine extended to 21.5" with the bolt aperture) but with the target aperture, I'm going to be able to see the front sight and the target more clearly (what a concept!!!). :o

Who knows, I might just give the bowling pins at 200 yds a go with my carbine after I install it. For the last 11 years, I've only used my rifle with it's 30" sight radius and target tang sight to 'pop the pins' at 200 yds as well as shooting steel and other larger targets out to 300yds. I have tried the pins at 300yds with it but in truth, the wind has to be calm and I have to be really 'on' as I'm shooting at a 1½ MOA target at that range. But I'm feeling that this might just give me the clear picture I need to give them a go at 200 yds with my carbine as well. :lol:
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I already replaced the front sight with a 1/16" brass bead back when I first got it along with slicking up the action and trigger so the small aperture clearing up the sight picture should give me a fightin chance at those pesky pins out there at 200.
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Steve,
Thanks for buying my stuff. You might check under that rear sight too. The current production guns are drilled and tapped for a scout scope rail. (don't know why. They haven't made the rail in years :? ) You will need some 6x48 plug screws.
Here lately I have been getting reports that the peep sight base is a little loose in the old safety hole. That has happened in the past, too.
This fix seems to work,

It’s almost impossible to manufacture the sight bases to fit them all because Rossi has been making these 92's with the safety on the bolt now for 20 years and aren’t known for their fine fit and finish. So, the holes tend to vary just slightly from gun to gun, year to year. The diameter of the big hole will vary and the position of the pin hole will too.
When I run on to one that’s loose like that what I do is take the base piece back out, then turn it at least 90 degree, put it back in and scratch a mark in it though the pin hole there on the side. (It helps if you use a sharpie on it so the mark shows up better).Then I just file a slightly shallower notch where the mark is so the pin fits tighter. Then when you put the pin back in it helps tighten it all up. Hope this helps.
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Your eyes aren't that bad if you can still use a .040 aperture .....that size gives me spider webs and low light
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Thanks for the info Nate. My Rossi carbine is a late 2008 manufacture I got NIB in early 2009 and I looked under the rear sight and don't think mine is d&t. FWIW, I got your Slick Up kit and DvD as well as the safety plug which was loose so I actually did the same thing to tighten it up. I fact, I did it to my 24" rifle as well and after a neighbor shot it, he had to have one so after he got it I slicked up his rifle too. (Yes, the plug needed it too.)

BTW, I talked to you on the phone way back in early 2013 as I was considering a Uberi '73 rifle. You mentioned restricting my loads to standard press (14,000 max) as the toggle link action wasn't that strong. After we talked, I ended up buying the NIB Uberti '73 rifle and a couple months later a NIB '66 Yellowboy carbine, both in .45 Colt and yes, I keep my handloads to under 14,000psi.

After I ordered the sight, I submitted a review on your Slick up Kit with DvD as I signed up to make the order today and that allows me to provide a review. Of course I gave it a 5 star rating and included a comment that 11 years and 6K rds later both my Rossis are still running slick as snot in large part to your kit and tips. First quality parts, great DvD.

You were very helpful and shared your knowledge freely and are a true asset not only to this forum but to the entire shooting industry as well.
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I feel your pain. My old eyes aren't doing so good anymore. Seems like they are different every day.
What makes it worse is they used to be excellent. I still don't have glasses, but need them.
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COSteve wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:23 pm
Thanks for the info Nate. My Rossi carbine is a late 2008 manufacture I got NIB in early 2009 and I looked under the rear sight and don't think mine is d&t. FWIW, I got your Slick Up kit and DvD as well as the safety plug which was loose so I actually did the same thing to tighten it up. I fact, I did it to my 24" rifle as well and after a neighbor shot it, he had to have one so after he got it I slicked up his rifle too. (Yes, the plug needed it too.)

BTW, I talked to you on the phone way back in early 2013 as I was considering a Uberi '73 rifle. You mentioned restricting my loads to standard press (14,000 max) as the toggle link action wasn't that strong. After we talked, I ended up buying the NIB Uberti '73 rifle and a couple months later a NIB '66 Yellowboy carbine, both in .45 Colt and yes, I keep my handloads to under 14,000psi.

After I ordered the sight, I submitted a review on your Slick up Kit with DvD as I signed up to make the order today and that allows me to provide a review. Of course I gave it a 5 star rating and included a comment that 11 years and 6K rds later both my Rossis are still running slick as snot in large part to your kit and tips. First quality parts, great DvD.

You were very helpful and shared your knowledge freely and are a true asset not only to this forum but to the entire shooting industry as well.
Thanks again steve,
I guess I should reference the 73 comment. I do know the modern 73's will take much more pressure than the old ones. Only makes sense with the advancements in metallurgy. However, the weak part is the mechanics or design in that it has several hinge point in the links and they all bear the load and with high round count they do loosen up.
Years ago I had set one up one that was used by a prolific CAS shooter. This guy shot every weekend it seems. He estimated he had run 40 to 50 thousand rounds of CAS 38's through it. Every hinge point in that action was loose to a point that the head space had grown to excess. No catastrophic failure but it was just worn out.

Oh BTW I like the "“Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.” - Confucius" Quote. There's a Cajun version too. "where life takes you is were you at" :)
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Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:34 pm
Oh BTW I like the "“Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.” - Confucius" Quote. There's a Cajun version too. "where life takes you is were you at" :)
I like that one too. I actually first heard the quote in the 1984 movie, Buckaroo Banzai and thought it profound. Only years later did I find out that Confucius first said it. BTW, I spent my summers as a young boy in the early '50s in Ellisville, MS (not far from Jackson) so we did a fair amount of time in and around NOLA as my mom had friends there. Ate gator and crawfish many times. Jambolia is still one of my all time favorite dishes.
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I've used Steve's rear sighst and mag tube followesr -- and bought the DVD. It's all good.
There is an elderly shooter who visits out county range with two Rossis he slicked up following Steve's instructions, one in .45 Colt and one rebarrelled to .44 Special. They simply run like butter. 8)
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Shipping tomorrow and should be here by the end of the week. :)

Now I'm really looking forward to shooting my carbine more. The last few years it's been hard to see the sights clearly and the difference between it and my rifle with the target aperture on the tang really drove me to shoot the rifle more than the carbine. So with a better view of the sights, my carbine will finally get the love it's been missing the past years. :D
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I took off the rear sight this morning in anticipation of receiving the bolt sight today and low and behold the barrel was d&t under the sight. Interesting in that the 20" carbine is d&t for a rail or optic but the 24" rifle wasn't even though both were manufactured in late 2008. Oh well, I had some filler screw plugs in my parts bin so they are in, tight and all is well. I also installed a dovetail slot blank I had to smooth out the barrel look. Now I'm just waiting for the mail today and hope to be ready to take it to the range tomorrow to sight it in. :D
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We need PICTURES....!!!!!
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Well heck!! Mail came today and no sight. Steve mailed it Tuesday and their mail guys said 2-3 days from Texas to Denver so I figured to give it an extra day or two and assume Saturday I'd get it. BUT, I forgot that the mail in this part of the Denver Metro area is slow as heck. A simple padded envelope or small package from Lampasas, TX to Littleton, CO: 865 miles via I-25 and the vaunted USPS can't get it here in 5 days when they quote 2-3 days.

The USPS is a poor excuse for a letter/package delivery system. Overweight and bloated by bureaucracy as they are, they don't need to care about anything because they can't go out of business. Not ever, no matter how bad they become!! Know why? Because the postal service is a US Constitutionally mandated requirement of the United States Congress.

"Postal Clause. Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and Post Roads"

With a Constitutional requirement for the postal service, they don't need to care about efficiency, affordability, or customer service. Take as much money as they want and provide whatever crummy service they feel like and we have no power to do anything to control them.
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AJMD429 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:32 pm
We need PICTURES....!!!!!
Nothing to take a picture of . . . . .yet!! :roll: :x
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AJMD429 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:32 pm
We need PICTURES....!!!!!
Per your request. Got the sight in yesterday afternoon via our 'Rusty' USPS . . . :|

After fitting the insert and installing the sight, it's solid and all set to get sighted in. As I said above, I'd already taken the old rear sight off and plugged the d&t holes with screw plugs I had. The extra 40% longer sight radius will really come in handy as I'm going to give my carbine a go at those pesky pins at 200yds now even though I'm considering sighting it in a only 150yds. I'm curious to see how the POI with both the 158grn and 125grn bullet loads works out at 150 yds.

Even though many of you think that a .040" aperture seems too small for old eyes to use, the opposite is actually the case. The small aperture enhances your vision, especially if you're older. In fact, those blessed with great eyesight will hardly notice a difference. The small aperture needs to be close to your eye so that the DoF principle works to the fullest and mounting it on the rear of the bolt is perfect for that. So, the view through it is larger than you'd think as I can see the entire front sight and post through it.

Best of all, it's finally clear again and all that 'fuzz' the 1/16" brass bead front sight had grown over the years is gone, just gone. Sighting it out the window at the hill surrounding our valley, it's great to see both the front sight and the rock formation 636 yds away (per Google Earth) clearly. :D

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