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another crazy theory ?

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found this somewhere :lol:
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All I know is this: as a cancer survivor who is constantly being monitored by a team of four top-notch specialists, each of whom I see twice a year, I have been convinced by their utter sincerity in pegging me as high-risk and treating and advising me accordingly. Each of them has made their case with me most convincingly. It is not a joke or a hoax. All highly-qualified, well-respected, and utterly apolitical professionals, they know a bad one when they see it, they call it as they see it, and COVID-19 is no joke. I'll take their medical opinions over anyone else's, all day long.
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Heck no it ain`t no joke, it`s the Dem politicizing it that makes me mad.
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I have COPD and diabetes....you bet I'm taking it serious....But, I'm not some dimwit demo using it to control and election, either....I was dragged kicking and screaming to the mask because in WA you may not enter any store without one....Amazon Prime only goes so far. 8)
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Heck before it`s over we`ll all probably have it, only the strong will survive which is probably what they want.
Forgive me for my negativity but i`m getting tired of it all, come Lord Jesus take us away and they can have it.
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To each their own but I'm wearing a mask as needed. I had open heart surgery six weeks ago and my immune system is weakened considerably, so I'm playing it cautious.
I visit the hospital 3-4 times/week for cardiac rehab and blood thinner (INR) checks. My point being that I've been around a huge number of Healthcare workers and I've yet to meet one that likes wearing a mask, however, they do because they have to and because they want to.
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Politicization of 'health care' is nothing new.
Distortion and selective presentation of 'data' is nothing new.
Outright fabrication of 'data' is nothing new.
Using fear to manipulate public behavior is nothing new.
Using guilt to manipulate public behavior is nothing new.
Pushing something illegitimate on the back of something legitimate is nothing new.
Getting top-notch experts and academics to join an emotional stampede is nothing new.
Using peer-pressure to get people and physicians to do silly things is nothing new.

Yes, CoVD19 is 'serious', but it is about three to four times as deadly as the typical influenza we see each year, and about a fifth as deadly as using tobacco. So why are we doing a hundredfold more disrupting of social behavior and economy for CoVD19...? Something here is pretty inconsistent, eh....?

Should we do a third this much masking and shutting-down every year due to influenza...? If not, why not...?

Or should we just do three or four times as much masking and shutting-down this year as we 'normally' do with influenza...?

What about the tobacco-users who aren't going to stop smoking to protect their own health or that of others, yet are wearing masks and barricading themselves at home...?

Where does society draw the line, and who gets to decide that...?

Since the 'data' is inconsistent, and the 'experts' cannot even agree on what it means, perhaps we need to be sensible rather than emotional as we decide what to do.

This is nothing new - we as a society have to make tradeoffs between safety and security and freedom and so on, all the time, and we seldom have highly-accurate 'data' to go by. We generally err on the side of 'security' initially, as we assess the threat, then as we learn more about it, we shift towards 'freedom' as much as possible. This philosophy has worked for pretty much every epidemic or other challenge before, and there is no reason it shouldn't work now.
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I am also in a vulnerable category. I figure if I get "it" I'm dead. Unless Christ chooses to keep me here amoung you.

HOWEVER, the main question is still unanswered: where is the scientifically valid double blind study that proves for a FACT that the masks will save your life, or my life. I am ok that some folks are attached to them, but emotions are not SCIENTIFIC FACTS.

The next social farce is the "six foot separation scheme". Same question, where is the documentation of scienfitic double blind studies that prove that 6 foot from everyone else guaranties that we will not have a brush with the covid?

AND is that six feet center-to-center, in which case the carrier next to you is about 4 feet away and you could stretch out your arms and hold hands. How does that make anyone secure.

It's a fact that the virus is airborn, AND it's a fact that a sneeze can broad cast droplets, thus covids, over 28 feet. So one sneezer could hit 4 people at once in the grocery store six foot separation line. How is that mask going to protect us from covids finding their way into the moist corners of our eyes, a perfect incubator, waiting to cruise into your nose at the first opportunity. How does a mask prevent That?????

I'm just asking because I don't believe a word I hear in the t.v., and the more the liars shout their lies out, the more certain I am that they are lying.

This is why I am asking about SCIENTIFIC factual evidence that quantifies the benefits of standing six feet from a virus host, and wearing a mask. Is there one single shred of evidence??

Yesterday someone pointed out that nearly everyone in Wuhan was already wearing a maks when the virus lit them up.....

So, if facts exist, I hope someone can link them to us.

And thanks for your input !
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Grizz wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:41 pm I am also in a vulnerable category. I figure if I get "it" I'm dead. Unless Christ chooses to keep me here amoung you.

HOWEVER, the main question is still unanswered: where is the scientifically valid double blind study that proves for a FACT that the masks will save your life, or my life. I am ok that some folks are attached to them, but emotions are not SCIENTIFIC FACTS.

The next social farce is the "six foot separation scheme". Same question, where is the documentation of scienfitic double blind studies that prove that 6 foot from everyone else guaranties that we will not have a brush with the covid?

AND is that six feet center-to-center, in which case the carrier next to you is about 4 feet away and you could stretch out your arms and hold hands. How does that make anyone secure.

It's a fact that the virus is airborn, AND it's a fact that a sneeze can broad cast droplets, thus covids, over 28 feet. So one sneezer could hit 4 people at once in the grocery store six foot separation line. How is that mask going to protect us from covids finding their way into the moist corners of our eyes, a perfect incubator, waiting to cruise into your nose at the first opportunity. How does a mask prevent That?????

I'm just asking because I don't believe a word I hear in the t.v., and the more the liars shout their lies out, the more certain I am that they are lying.

This is why I am asking about SCIENTIFIC factual evidence that quantifies the benefits of standing six feet from a virus host, and wearing a mask. Is there one single shred of evidence??

Yesterday someone pointed out that nearly everyone in Wuhan was already wearing a maks when the virus lit them up.....

So, if facts exist, I hope someone can link them to us.

And thanks for your input !
One small factoid that seems to be missing from the evening news is that the virus WILL infect you after contact with you eyes....you are free to draw your own conclusions...
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As my dad always said - figures lie and liars figure. That is why I've been reading Dr. Douglas Frank public facebook page every day. He digs for the facts. Today he said one of the things they've done to make things look worse is to reduce the number of ICU beds by a factor of 4 (I don't remember which state he was talking about). He's in Ohio but he looks at stats from all states.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/158015618707622/

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Some form of flu is always out there. I intend to live until I die. If masks become mandatory, I'll make my own. Here is my prototype.

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I don't think anyone thinks covid19 is a joke, or that it doesn't exist. The question really is the stats we're being fed. Are they truly accurate, or skewed to give the results some want to see?
There was a recent random test done where a doctor got 300 kits and opened all of them. Then sent them all (unused) in for testing and got almost 50% positives from the lab. So how does one get even one positive on an unused kit?
Then there's the recent increase in contact tracing, and the way they tally the numbers. If a person tests positive they are counted. But then once the contact data is gathered all the people who were in contact with that person are listed as possible positives for corona also.
And they don't seem to be able to figure out why the numbers are rising, even though any layman can easily see if you increase testing 10 fold, you'll likely increase your positive results equally. It doesn't take a scientist, or doctor to know that, and yet they all seem puzzled by the rise in cases as they increase testing capabilities.
I'm all for safety, wearing my mask inside stores, etc. But I'm very suspicious of the people making the rules and recommendations.
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