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Did Dirty Harry actually use a .44 in the movie of the same name ;-) ?
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In one of the movies, he says he uses .44 Special instead.
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Was the gun you saw in the movie a .actually a model 29?
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The ones I saw looked like my large, "N" frame S&Ws. IIRC in one scene he mentioned he used 44 Specials (on the combat course/town)...
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I guess my memory is shakey. I thought the line I heard is something like, "are you feeling lucky? this is a 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun on earth."

but I guess not, eh?
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Fred...my bet would be yes, it was a 44.....while I don't remember exactly but could you imagine the fallout had he used a 357/41? .....many frontal shots are in his movies and I never heard any different.

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This explains it some. Another article said they initially wanted a 4" nickel plated mod 29 but couldn't find one.

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Regardless of the revolver surely Clint was using blanks . . . :?
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piller wrote:
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In one of the movies, he says he uses .44 Special instead.
Oh, come on! Callahan wouldn't admit to that.
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He did say in a later movie that he shot a light Special for better control.

One of the insider articles some time ago said that they could not at the time locate 29 but were able to get a 25 and a 57 which they used depending on the scene. If that is true I would suspect the muzzle scene/s were done with a 25.
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I read somewhere that it was a 41 Magnum in many of the episodes.

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I remember from back then, They couldn't find enough 29s so most was shot with 57s. Hard to tell the difference in 44 and 41.
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Sevastopol wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 12:41 pm
piller wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:04 am
In one of the movies, he says he uses .44 Special instead.
Oh, come on! Callahan wouldn't admit to that.
In the movie where David Soul and Robert Urich were playing the motorcycle cops going around and killing bad guys, he did. It was just after David Soul's character beat his time and score in Hogan's Alley.
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Old Savage wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 1:17 pm
He did say in a later movie that he shot a light Special for better control.

One of the insider articles some time ago said that they could not at the time locate 29 but were able to get a 25 and a 57 which they used depending on the scene. If that is true I would suspect the muzzle scene/s were done with a 25.
Ok, I don't know either way, but: "He did say in a later movie that..."(Callahan) or 'He said that in a later movie..."(Eastwood). Was it Clint Eastwood that said that about a later movie, or was it his character, Harry Callahan, in a later movie?

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piller wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 1:45 pm
Sevastopol wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 12:41 pm
piller wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:04 am
In one of the movies, he says he uses .44 Special instead.
Oh, come on! Callahan wouldn't admit to that.
In the movie where David Soul and Robert Urich were playing the motorcycle cops going around and killing bad guys, he did. It was just after David Soul's character beat his time and score in Hogan's Alley.
I see. I am truly surprised.

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An interview with John Millius the director, he showed a model 29 presented to him as a movie used gun. He said it was one of three and had been sent back to Smith and Wesson to be refinished as it had been dropped during filming and had a case of sidewalk rash. It was a 44. Harry did say in the gun range scene that he used 44 specials. My question has always been did he mean at the range or all the time? Dunno. Mine is a 4 inch
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Sevastopol wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 12:41 pm
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In one of the movies, he says he uses .44 Special instead.
Oh, come on! Callahan wouldn't admit to that.

Magnum Force. At the range where Harry meets the motorcycle cops. He says he uses light specials. It gives him more control in a gun this size. I doubt the writer even knew there was a difference in the .44 mag and .44 spl.

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Yes,there were 29s used in filming. Whether there were other N frames used as stand ins I don't know. Harry did say he uses a special load in Magnum Force, but his shootout scenes certainly emphasize cartridge power. Harry also endorsed 357 but not 38 in the Enforcer. Harry also used an Automag after his 29 got kicked in the water after being jumped by mob goons in Sudden Impact.
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John Milius wrote the screenplay and has been a NRA director. Good chance he knew what a 44 Special was in the 1970s considering he wrote in a 458 win mag and a 44 Automag into his movies.
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I never heard Dirty Harry ever carried anything but a .44 mag, never heard the stuff about the other calibers. I did hear though that in a few scenes he carried an 8 3/8th version instead of the 6.5 for the added screen effect.
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FWIW; I got my first 44 Magnum really cheap. A feller bought a 629, fired mebbe one box of factory loads and couldn't handle the recoil/muzzle blast. Late '80s and I still have it and shoot it...
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My brother had one ,I think 7 1/2"?
He said "want to try it?" , well of course....

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Tried to find a 29 at that time, none available. Ended up with a Super Blackhawk and later an 8 3/8 Mod. 29. Shot thousands of rounds thru those guns, special and full power rounds. Must have put 20K thru the 29 and at least 15K thru the SB. The 29 is pretty loose, really needs a rebuild ( any ideas on who could do it??) and had to finally put another hammer in the SB as just plumb wore the first one out.

I remember reading years ago, that there were three different guns, all 44's, used in the DH film, but barrel length varied.
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44shooter wrote:
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John Milius wrote the screenplay and has been a NRA director. Good chance he knew what a 44 Special was in the 1970s considering he wrote in a 458 win mag and a 44 Automag into his movies.
Milius knows firearms and is quite an enthusiast...in the movie alien nation, they use a freedom arms 454 casull, that milius obtained before the first regular production pistols were being delivered. he also mentioned old original type BRI 12 gauge slugs in that movie, that would shot thru an engine block....and those original slugs would do that. he knows his details.
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hfcable wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 7:41 pm
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Thu May 21, 2020 3:39 pm
John Milius wrote the screenplay and has been a NRA director. Good chance he knew what a 44 Special was in the 1970s considering he wrote in a 458 win mag and a 44 Automag into his movies.
Milius knows firearms and is quite an enthusiast...in the movie alien nation, they use a freedom arms 454 casull, that milius obtained before the first regular production pistols were being delivered. he also mentioned old original type BRI 12 gauge slugs in that movie, that would shot thru an engine block....and those original slugs would do that. he knows his details.
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I don't know if it's true or not, but years ago I had heard that some of the scenes were done with a 29 but the scenes where he was firing were done with a Model 25 in 45 Colt so that they could use 5 in one blanks (I think those were available smokeless too). I have a 25 from that era and a friend has a 29 from that era but I never cared enough about those movies to go back and watch and look for the slight differences.
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In the early series of the Dirty Harry movies the model 25 wasn't even around and it sure wasn't an original 1950 target in 45 Colt ...there's only a few of them around. In the later series Clint used big caliber autos like the wildly and the 44 auto mag

I don't believe Hollywood would have had any trouble getting a model 29....I did at the time....they were around as were thousands of earlier 29's but the prices were high....which I don't believe Hollywood would have any trouble as to money.
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In the early series of the Dirty Harry movies the model 25 wasn't even around and it sure wasn't an original 1950 target in 45 Colt ...there's only a few of them around. In the later series Clint used big caliber autos like the wildly and the 44 auto mag

I don't believe Hollywood would have had any trouble getting a model 29....I did at the time....they were around as were thousands of earlier 29's but the prices were high....which I don't believe Hollywood would have any trouble as to money.
[I'm not enough of a collector to get that excited about details on a given model, and what I read certainly could be wrong. The thing I read said model 25 but it could have been a model 1950 or 1955 Target - yes they were rare but as you said Hollywood had plenty of money and in that era they did things like arrange to film on aircraft carriers, use vintage aircraft and armored vehicles (when they weren't painting up more modern vehicles to pass off as something else - isn't there one movie where we have Shermans and stuff and the Germans have M47s)

Anyhow, the thing that I read years ago never said that they used a 25 because they couldn't get a 29. It said they used a 25 in certain scenes because it would take five in one blanks (I think modern versions of those blanks can now be used in 44 special/ magnums but apparently the old ones couldn't).

I think the first Dirty Harry movie came out in 1971 and the others were 73, 76, etc. I bought my first model 25 (and it was a model 25 - in 45 ACP - less rare than the 45 Colt) in the summer of 1978. In 1978, it was a used gun, it had been around a while and as I recall, that one was already a 25-2. I know they were around for several years before that because I had drooled over them in various publications for several years before I got mine.

The only publication I currently have that lists manufacture dates lumps the 1950, the 1955 and the 45 Cal. N Frame that was stamped as a model 25 together under one heading (Smith and Wesson Model 25 1950 Target Double Action) and just lists the original manufacture date as 1950 on.

I can't find anything that says the first year they started stamping a 25 on them but remember seeing publications calling them model 25s as early as the mid 70s and I didn't think it was a new designation then. I also remember that in publications they sometimes listed the model number along with the earlier designation - Model 15 Combat Masterpiece, Model 10 38 Military & Police etc. I know this is moving off on a rabbit trail but now I'm kind of curious when they first put Model 25 on that model.

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Some history I read last night said they changed to the 25 marking in 1957. I also read they had plenty of 5 in 1 blanks in 45 Colt so a 25 was used in the shooting scenes.

There are plenty of back stories out here about Hollywood going back to the 50s and through Tombstone with stuntmen I have had as patients.

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In another encounter we were at the game room of the stunt man for Quantum Leap. He showed us a video of himself on an African hunt jumping aside as a water buffalo he shot charging crashed at his feet. I asked what caliber he shot it with. He said 460 Winchester.

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This from the Internet Movie Firearms Database....

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Dirty_Harry

They don't mention the 41 Mag or 45 Volt being substituted, though I have read they had to do that. Like others here, it seems odd that Hollywood would not be able to offer $10,000 or so and get use of any gun they wanted.

I always wondered if they used a 'stunt double' for the gun where he tosses it onto the sidewalk... :shock: I'd really have to dislike a gun to do that...!
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Well now, the story is that Clint has the gun but that it was sent back to S&W to be refinished. You guys give Hollywood too much credit. I will have to count up how many people have one of the two 29s they are supposed to have had according to some sources.
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I wish there were more people in Hollywood now who were gun people. Some of what is shown today is amazingly stupid.
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For sake of arguement, let's keep this thread focused on the first one or two Dirty Harry movies....the succeeding ones were worthless. Sometimes I get the Dirty Harry movies and Charles Bronson Death Wish movies mixed up....hence my previously mentioned Wildly. :D

Forget the model 25 in 45 Colt as it didn't come out until '78. From 1955 to '78 they were catalogued in 45 acp/45 auto rim only. It makes zero sense to substitute a model 25 for a model 29 in the earlier Dirty Harry movies, unless it was a photo op where no shooting was filmed.

5 in 1 blanks are just that, 5 in 1 and were good only for 3 calibers...the "5" comes from dual use in revolvers and rifles.

The noise generated in the Dirty Harry movies was loud and was nothing like the 5-1....I've shot these so that means either special blanks were made or more likely, the sound was dubbed in.....the fake recoil was poooooooor...bang! Split second later the gun rises slowly. :D

You will notice a 5-1 inserted into this 29 made during the time frame, 1972 (and it cost me a like new post war 25-35 model 94, a 39 Smith and cash...yea, I wanted it badly, price was $400) it will not fit in but it wouldn't be nothing to run a case in a fls. My "common sense" thinking tells me that's what Hollywood did....and then dubbed in the magnum sound.

They sure as heck didn't use 5-1 in a model 25 in 45 acp.

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Would we all agree that many frontal shots of the revolver used in the movie were made? From left to right...model 29 44 mag.....model 1950 target 44 Spl. (Notice the thin barrel profile?) and an original 1955 Target model 25 in 45 acp/rim....exact same outer diameter as the model 29 but.....but.....but.....

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But...but....notice the difference in front sights? While I'm sure some model 25's were made with ramp sights, I've never seen one and I've seen a lot. Why would Hollywood go out of their way to cosmetically alter a 25 to make it look like a 29 when so many 29's were available...unless of course the photo angle didn't show the sights.

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Ok Fred...I'll check her out....mom says I'm not allowed to work today...she took the key to the Kubota and locked up chains, axes, chainsaw, hammers, fence post nails....etc. so I decided (in the garage at the moment) to shoot carpenter bees with the 1890....got 7 out of 15 rounds and one with the 2+2 . :D ....

Could only find pieces of three of them.

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I liked the scene with the automag.
Personally I've only shot the 44mag once, and found the recoil too much for the gun to be fun.
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The question is not what they said in the movies. It is what was actually used in the scenes.
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Six, nice shooting ... great gun ;-)
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