OT Saving my pennies for a 1911 - which one?

pharmseller · Post by **pharmseller** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:27 pm

Since it's the centennial for the 1911 I'm saving my pennies to buy one.
Plus, every American should own one (kinda like a Garand).
I don't want or need a racehorse, tricked out 1911, I'm just looking for a good, reliable representation of the American standard.
What should I buy, and from where?

P

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:59 pm

There's a lot of good standard 1911's out there. Seems like everyone and their brothers making one anymore. Gonna run ya a couple of shiny pennies even for a good standard one. Springfield, Kimber, Sig, their making good standards. Can't talk about the new Colt's, haven't looked over a new one for a long time. I'd stick with name brands and go try'em out. Let us know what ya get.

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:32 am

I cannot say enough good things about Springfield Armory 1911.

I have had two Mil Spec models and they are all you need and nuthin' you don't!

I have never had a stovepipe, feed jam, broken anything and they both shot to point of aim.

Outstanding guns and the price can't be beat!

kooz · Post by **kooz** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:16 am

pharmseller wrote:I don't want or need a racehorse, tricked out 1911, I'm just looking for a good, reliable representation of the American standard.
What should I buy, and from where?

P

I have had excellent luck with my Springfield 1911-A1 Mil-spec, it has been the most rock solid 1911 I have ever owned, and I have had quite a few over the years.

Buffboy · Post by **Buffboy** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:26 am

I have 2 Taurus 1911s and a GSG 22. They are set up the same with standard "modifications" I wanted. They've all been good pistols. If I were looking for a standard configuration pistol, I'd probably get the Remington R1. None of the previous posts would be "wrong" either but that's what I'd get. It's not a true standard as it has a lowered/flared ejection port, better dove tailed sights and flat mainspring housing (the only thing I don't like about the GSG and to be changed soon) but the price is nice.

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:03 am

Springfield is a known standard.

The Remington is supposed to be good so far, but their sights are using nonstandard dovetails, so in the event you change, keep that in mind.

Taurus as well as Kimber have both good and bad. Kimber's QC in the last six or so years has dropped considerably (yes, some of you may have good ones, i'm talking at the pistolsmith level, guys reporting seeing about every third one having issues).

Either Colt, Springfield, couple other brands in the higher end guns.

RIA makes a decent shooter, they're Phillipine made and can be a little rough. I've heard both the Hi-Standard and Auto-Ordnance GI 1911s are performing reasonably well.

For a basic range gun, the Springfield Milspec would be my recommendation. It's still "GI" with minor improvements, like better sights.

zack coyote · Post by **zack coyote** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:00 am

I bought a new Colt 1991-A1, matte stainless steel about 8 years ago. Only one hicup, from a cheap mag. I only field strip it to clean it, and my wife uses it for her shooting classes with no problem. We do need better sights however. A little pricey, but a COLT!

piller · Post by **piller** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:26 am

I have one of the Rock Island Armory ones made in the Phillipines. It is solid as a bank vault, if slightly rough due to not being polished. It is much less expensive than the others, everything for the Colt is interchangeable, and if you are willing to spend a little time, it polishes up very nice. I am still thinking about having the slide milled and getting some Novak sights put on it. The original G.I. style sights are a little rudimentary for my eyes nowadays.

Post by **Hobie** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:34 am

Seems to me that if you want one like you want a Garand and for the same reason you should find one of the new 1911s by Colt...

That's not to say one is better than the other as a shooter.

BenT · Post by **BenT** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:35 am

My thoughts exactly. Springfields prices have raised lately. The rock islands are a great bang for the buck. But I decided that I wanted one made in the US. The Remington R1 is what I decided on . It can be had for $600 which is a $100 more than the other two. It looks like a 1911 should in my opinion. They have a nice blue and fit and finish. For about $50 less you can get into a Para USA GI expert which are made in the US. The other US made choices are Kimber and S&W.

I do not plan on shooting the heck out this gun. So I just what a nice affordable piece to shoot every once in a while and after a 100 years of testing I should just get one.

Gary7 · Post by **Gary7** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:49 am

BenT wrote:My thoughts exactly. Springfields prices have raised lately. The rock islands are a great bang for the buck. But I decided that I wanted one made in the US. The Remington R1 is what I decided on . It can be had for $600 which is a $100 more than the other two. It looks like a 1911 should in my opinion. They have a nice blue and fit and finish. For about $50 less you can get into a Para USA GI expert which are made in the US. The other US made choices are Kimber and S&W.

Don't forget about Dan Wesson:

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:54 am

just one word KIMBER

I have owned alot of 1911's over the years but my kimber is the most accurate of the bunch.

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:54 am

I have to agree with txpete, my Kimber Custom is my most accurate 1911 and one of my most accurate handguns. It's an original Custom not a Custom II.

But, if you are looking for a traditional looking 1911, if you don't want to spend the money that a new Colt 1911 or 1991 would cost, you might consider the Springfield GI 45 Mil-Spec, not the same as the regular Mil-Spec. Mine is a "good enough" shooter and it certainly looks alot like the true military issue 1911A1.

Mine came with brown plastic grips, similar to original GI grips. I think the newer ones have wooden "US" grips; real GI grips are available and affordable.

As for GI sights, it's all what you get used to. (they are exactly like the sights on my 1954 Commander) It's not a target pistol pistol, I kind of "point and shoot" anyway; I don't actually line up the sights on target each time I pull the trigger.

The only changes that I made to mine were a wide spur hammer from Fusion and a Colt small shelf safety from Midway USA. The finish on both of these parts match the pistol perfectly.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:48 pm

I've owned and traded several over the years.

My 'first' was an AMT stainless 'Government Model', and to this day it is the most reliable. Dropped many times on gravel, in mud, and even on a concrete slab floor (I had a habit of sticking it in my Carhart pocket and it would fall out - finally got a clip-on holster I liked). Surface rust on the matted stainless I brush off every year or so. Never jams, whether I feed it factory, reloads, hollowpoints, lead round nose, and even lead semi-wadcutters.

Since then I've shot and owned a Colt, a couple from Para-Ordnance (including the LDA), and a Rock-Island double-stack, and although I've liked the others just fine, and reliability seemed adequate, I just never shot any of them enough to get to that point of utter 'trustability'. So , I keep going back to the AMT, because it is so reliable, and I've already scratched, dinged, and rusted enough on it that I figure I'll never be all guilty because I messed it up by more wear and tear. My AMT at first did have some jamming, as have all the others, but after a couple thousand rounds (ammo was cheap when I was a kid) it just sort of self-tuned and got smooth and reliable.

The reason I mention this is that I think if you get any of the 'generics' (the AMT was the ultimate 'generic' back in the day), you'll eventually be quite happy with it, if you want a 'shooter'.

If you want a 1911 to put on the wall beside a vintage Garand, get a Colt from the 1940's, preferably one with a military service history. If you value the Garand more as a well-made firearm you can use, that happens to be of military/historic interest, then a 'copy' of a Colt would likely fill the comparable 'handgun' niche.

My son's recent Rock Island single-stack 'Government' model appears to be a nicely made gun, and though it needs the first 500 rounds fired before we decide if it needs any 'tuning', I'm not disappointed in it.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:05 pm

And, then you could always get a Les Baer.

new pig hunter · Post by **new pig hunter** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:20 pm

Kimber for me.

Cheers,

Carl

Pisgah · Post by **Pisgah** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:34 pm

Good 1911s at reasonable prices are coming from the Phillipines and Brazil these days. I believe the Springfield GI is Brazilian, or at least has a Brazilian frame. For and American-made 1911 that's close to GI specs and affordably-priced for folks like me, I'd think the current Remington would be a good one. If price is not a major obstacle, of course, Colt can still do one for you.

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:35 pm

Springfield Mil Spec.

I have a GI and the only thing keeping me from recommending it is it has GI sights also, so its a bit more (ok- a lot more) work to fit custom sights to it if you want

GoatGuy · Post by **GoatGuy** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:24 pm

SPRINGFIELD ARMORY MIL-SPEC. Looks right, shoots right and priced right! They've been offered since mid/late 1980's and have it down pretty good. I've heard SA customer service is first rate, though you may never need it.

pwl44m · Post by **pwl44m** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:35 pm

I just sold RIA compact all tricked out ( Night Sights-extended slide release- amb safety- Bull barrell) for $500.I still have 2 or 3 Mags for it if someone needs. Frankly I would Scout the Gun Shows ,hock shops and wherever else U can find Guns for a Real 1911. I am patient in that respect.

Mich Hunter · Post by **Mich Hunter** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:47 pm

I have (12) 1911's floating around. I have Colts, a Springfield and a few Kimbers. My Kimbers are the most accurate I have ever shot. I have a Kimber ultra carry (3in)that will out shoot both of my Gold Cups. No matter what you have read on the internet, their QC is fine. If you want to see crappy Quality Control, buy a newer Marlin

. Stick with the folks that have been making 1911's for awhile. Not Sig, S&W etc. The Rock Islands have also gotten really good reviews as parts interchange and they are easy to build off of. If you want a Colt, look for a 70 series as what they are putting out now is not worth the money or headache. You could not give me a modern Colt product

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:23 am

I have owned quite a few 1911's and of course I have my favorites. For you first 1911, I would recomend staying with the 5 inch gun, although my favorite carry guns are commander length, 4.25 but most of that size are now 4 inch guns and set up quite a bit different then the originals, as is my Lightweight Springfield mil spec GI, 4 inch gun.

You need to be aware of the difference between series 70 and 80 Colts, and also regarding Kimber, the Kimber II's have a Swarts style firing pin block safety; this safety is fuel for some hot debates on the internet. I own one 3 inch gun that is a Kimber II, and while I have not had any trouble with mine, I have a couple of friends who have had some issues with them, and I will not buy another II, however, Kimber has some really neat models out, and some still do not have the firing pin block safety.

Colt is offering a new Series 70 government, and I recently purchased one of those, and I have an old series 70 that has been customized and I have shot if for many years. I also own a Wilson Combat 5 inch gun, and It is the best 1911, I have ever owned, but of course, I paid a lot for it.

As far as sights go, I like a good Bo Mar Adjustable on a Target, or Match gun. I do not like the original Gold Cup rear sights. There are lots of guns out with good high profile fixed sights, including nite sights, and they are all mostly pretty good. I really do not place a lot of value on night sights, unless I am competing in IDPA night shoots, and that game is rigged for night sights.

The old low profile GI sights still have their advantages also, for a carry gun. I have fancy sights on several of my 1911's, but my favorite carry gun, is the little Lightweight Springfield with the tiny GI sights, and I have no desire to change those sights, as I much prefer their no snag qualities, because I don't always use a conventional holster, and I find that I can hit plenty good enough with the GI sights on that gun, anyway.

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:18 am

Looks like a dead heat between a Springfield Mil Spec and a Kimber of some sort--- absolutely no arguments here -- 13 or 14 years when i worked at a fairly serious range part time, everybody came in with a Kimber. (at the time, my focus was on high power hunting rifles, so i didnt care, just an observation)

I'm a Colt maniac though, i told myself if i lost 50 pounds this year, i'd trat myself to a Gold Cup ---- some of you fellas are making me re-think (not my weight loss goals, just the carrot on the end of the stick)

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:20 am

Kimber was good. But as I said....they've nosedived in quality lately.

Springfield frames are made by Imbel. One of the two manufacturers of FALs in the world (the other being DSA), they've been making 1911s since 1945 or so...nothing wrong with them for being Brazilian.

horsesoldier03 · Post by **horsesoldier03** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:41 am

I have a Springfield MILSPEC 5" and agree, it is a solid platform and has never had a Failure to feed, fire or eject. A Great Pistol, my only complaint is that it ejects the brass inconsistently and is a bit heavy. My Brother in Law has a KIMBER Pro Carry. I hate to say it but it is an awesome pistol and puts mine to shame in a side by side comparison. It shoots tighter groups, came with night sights and is alot more pleasent to carry if you decide you want to have a concealed carry weapon. That being said, his cost almost TWICE what I paid for mine!

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:23 am

once you start talking 1911's and what to buy its like underwear,ford chevy,marlin winchester ect ect ect.
I have owned atleast half dozen colts,4-5 springfields,and issued a bunch of old colts in the army.(btw the M-9 was a mistake imho).
all I can say is my kimber custom (not custom II) can out shoot any of them.I have had zero problems.they are a excellent pistol accurate and well made.
so pharmseller see if any of the guys here live near by with 1911's and see if you can get some range time with them and their 45's.if you get down this way (TEXAS) you would be more than welcome to try my kimber out at the range

.
pete

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:46 am

IMO doesn't really matter the brand, what matters is the "MilSpec" bit.

Most 1911's these days have been modded WAAAY too much. That's why they often need "reliability" packages.

Forget fully supported, ramped, no-bushing etc toys. Get the gun JMB designed. Lightweight supermetals are OK, but beyond that, for a carry/combat gun, I think you are asking for grief.

ndcowboy · Post by **ndcowboy** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:57 am

Rumor has it Ruger will soon be coming out with a 1911. Might be one to look at, and it will certainly be American made.

wilko · Post by **wilko** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:01 am

Got the Remington R1 after lots of comparing.. very happy with it !!!!

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:57 pm

Two years ago I bought a used RIA 5" "Government Model" with the gray-green phosphate finish, for $290 OTD. That Rock Island shocked me with how well it has performed and how accurate it is. I have over 700 rds through it and it has NOT failed to feed, eject, fire, etc., not even once. This is shooting FMJ factory or plated 230 gr reloads from McCormick Shooting Star mags.

Further, the RIA's accuracy is actually better than that of my Series 70 Gold Cup. It shoots as if laser-guided, and I have no problems hitting claybirds on edge on the 25 yd berm, 7/7, time and again.

It's almost boring.

Noah

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:11 pm

I have a Para Ord 1911...Nice!

I have a Kimber Custom...Real nice!

My next .45acp will be a Sig P220, though

ceb · Post by **ceb** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:22 pm

The Springfield Mil-Spec is a good basic .45, mine would not group for beans new, on the order of 8" groups at 25yds. A trip back to Springfield turned it into a 2" gun. I like it.

My Kimber CDP 4" has also proven accurate and reliable. I like it a lot also.

But, when I bought my Les Bear PII, I fell in love.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:12 am

Kimber or Para Ordinance have both worked well for me.

Check the Para GI Expert for price and configuration. I just checked Gun Genie and my local FFL price was less than $500 for one in carbon steel and they are very nice looking standard 1911s with just a few of the more desirable updates. That's a great price on a U.S. made 1911 in my view.

Oly

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:04 am

http://ezine.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=13

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:43 pm

As stated before, the 1911 debate is an unending subject. I think you can get yourself a good serviceable 1911 for 500-700 dollars but you are always taking somewhat of a chance because all guns are individuals. I have been fortunate as I've always bought used but have been able to shoot them first. I have an older Colt combat commander in satin nickel, an enhanced series 80 Colt lightweight commander ( my carry gun ), and an older Springfield mil-spec that I've made a few mods to. The old Colt is the most fussy feeder but they all feed 200gr cast truncated bullets all day long. My son has one of the new Para GI experts and loves it. I have a friend that has an older Kimber custom and a Les Baer. He says for the difference in money the Kimber shoots pretty close to the Baer.

klhill · Post by **klhill** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:33 pm

I did not see STI mentioned.They make some great 1911's in Texas.Take a look at the Spartan and Trojan models, a lot of gun for the money.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:07 pm

Well I sure don't know which 1911 is the best. I'll just say that after a lot of head scratching and reading, I got a Springfield 'Loaded' so that I could adjust the trigger. It also has tritium sights (although you will have to have the tritium topped up every 4 or 5 years, judging from how mine have faded a bit over the past several years). I chose the black finish so that it would be less eye-catching when I want it to have a low profile. I've used the tritium night sights several times outside at night when the dog was indicating a problem out there. They work good. Here's mine ....

SJPrice · Post by **SJPrice** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:30 pm

If you are not going for a 70 series Colt so you have the name, then take a long hard look at the Kimber(s). Their fit and finish is excellent and they are extremely accurate right out of the box. They also have a long list of models so you can get about any option you want. JMHO

SJPrice · Post by **SJPrice** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:37 pm

KirkD wrote:Well I sure don't know which 1911 is the best. I'll just say that after a lot of head scratching and reading, I got a Springfield 'Loaded' so that I could adjust the trigger. It also has tritium sights (although you will have to have the tritium topped up every 4 or 5 years, judging from how mine have faded a bit over the past several years). I chose the black finish so that it would be less eye-catching when I want it to have a low profile. I've used the tritium night sights several times outside at night when the dog was indicating a problem out there. They work good. Here's mine ....

Kirk,
that is a great looking Springfield, but then I think you could make a chinese AK look great with the way you take pictures.

Steve

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:39 pm

SJ Price

HAHAHA! You're so right. I don't know how he does it????

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:32 pm

I know that everybody loves his own 1911; and typically you will receive recommendations that are merely a rehash of what each person owns as the best .45 available. I have owned a Colt MkIV Series 70 since I was a young deputy sheriff, and now carry it as my primary concealed weapon as a retired peace officer. I would not part with it.

But that is not what I'd recommend, as the best gun for the PRICE at today's costs, per your "saving the pennies" inference. You want an excellent, sub $1,000 .45? Get a Springfield! It costs hundreds less.

See, for instance, articles by Gun-Tests.com, a legitimately unbiased consumer testing magazine that accepts no favors or ads from the industry.

Call it "the gun owner's Consumer Reports," if you like. Throughout the years I have subscribed to it, Springfield's 1911 models have regularly fared well in testing by this magazine. And they are not afraid of flunking, for instance, an expensive Beretta shotgun and giving a "A+" to a much cheaper one, if it tests better. So I believe their ratings.

Here is one article that I found that is still on line - a teaser for their more complete article. Grab this link while it is still online:
http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/16_7/fe ... 174-1.html

This is an older article that is reminiscent of recent tests, but I am a bit rushed for time this week and don't have time to research my library for the latest tests.

For the most .45 for your money, and considering the true 1911 look, functionality and repairability, Springfield Armory's offerings win hands down. Unless you insist on Rolls Royce finish and fit or Kimber accuracy for target work or pinpoint shooting around hostages, the Springfield .45 will work as well or better in a gunfight as anything else at half the cost or less.

WHERE to buy? You need to shop around; you may bet a very good deal from a neighborhood gun store or FFL holder.

To find some comparisons, go to Davidson's Gun Genie (online - Google it) and enter ".45 ACP" as the caliber and "Springfield" as the brand and see what you get, and then run those offerings against other sites or dealers in your area. I recently got my best price on a Ruger Colt .45 New Model Model Blackhawk convertible (.45 ACP/.45 Colt cylinders) by transacting the deal with Davidson's, which entertains bids from several dealers nationwide.

At the site, you can find a dealer near or in your Zip Code, accept a transaction at the price that suits you if it's the right one, and then pay a portion (Pay Pal or charge card or whatever) to Davidson's. But the dealer bids don't obligate you until you decide to make the purchase, so it's a very good way to shop, with a wider variety of choices.

Davidson's will ship the gun to the local or nearby dealer of your choice, if you use their service, and you pick it up there after any required paperwork, waiting period if it applies in your state, and payment of the remaining cost of the gun. Because Davidson's provides a wider exposure to the local participating gun dealers, you can sometimes strike a better deal by going through them first, instead of dealing directly with the dealer. If you special order a gun from a dealer because the gun is not on his shelves, you frequently have to wait until he receives his next large shipment (to save freight costs), and or pay a higher than usual amount for the firearm. With Davidson's, the dealer knows that if he doesn't bid low enough, then next guy in his town will get the business.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:22 pm

Pharmseller, please forgive me, one thing I've got to forewarn you about is possible hammer bite. If you haven't actually shot a number of rounds through a 1911 with a standard hammer and grip safety do so. Some people, me included, can't shoot a standard hammer w/standard grip safety without getting serious hammer bite. The web of my hand slides up the back side of the safety and when the hammer rebounds on cycling it pinches the web. I'll be bleeding like crazy within two magazines. I have to have a beavertail safety and commander hammer.

The only other advice I can give you is to practice. Getting used to the thumb safety without thinking about it takes repetitions for motor muscle memory to lock into place and if you're going to carry for defense you owe it to yourself and everyone else to become proficient.

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:27 pm

It has been a long time since I sold my Ithaca .45, that piece worked fine. A few years ago my grandson bought a Springfield GI. It took over 500 hundred rounds just to get it shooting fairly well. As was already said it is not an American made 1911, the frame is made in Brazil. He carries it now and it's reliable. Right now I am keeping my son's guns while he is overseas. I carry his Rock Island and feel just fine with it, we have never had one issue with this 1911. What ever you choose, enjoy it. every one needs at least one in their life.

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:19 pm

Here's the new offering from Cimarron Arms. Mil spec 1911 - note frame.

Kansas Ed · Post by **Kansas Ed** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:11 pm

As my photo below suggests, normally I'm a Colt guy...but given the quality issues I had from Colt last year, no way would I buy a new one from them again. I had a Springfield "loaded" several years ago that I ended up trading and regretted it ever since. As far as I'm concerned, it was the perfect 1911. I know most die hards are series 70's fans, but I do like the Series 80's over the 70's personally. I think they are generally safer for carry than the 70's. But then that's just me. All 3 of the Colts below are series 80's...one .38 Super enhanced, one Delta, and one .45 enhanced. I think the Springfield I had was better quality though.

The Delta has the Ivory Wood grips from Esmeralda, and the bottom piece is actually a WWII Ithaca frame with a Kart 22 kit.

Ed

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:28 pm

klhill wrote:I did not see STI mentioned.They make some great 1911's in Texas.Take a look at the Spartan and Trojan models, a lot of gun for the money.

Yes!

Oly

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:34 pm

kimwcook wrote:Pharmseller, please forgive me, one thing I've got to forewarn you about is possible hammer bite. If you haven't actually shot a number of rounds through a 1911 with a standard hammer and grip safety do so. Some people, me included, can't shoot a standard hammer w/standard grip safety without getting serious hammer bite. The web of my hand slides up the back side of the safety and when the hammer rebounds on cycling it pinches the web. I'll be bleeding like crazy within two magazines. I have to have a beavertail safety and commander hammer.

I've got a Norwegian that I simply can't shoot for that reason - bites me bad.

Oly

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:40 pm

Grizzly Adams wrote:Here's the new offering from Cimarron Arms. Mil spec 1911 - note frame.

That sure is an interesting mishmash there...

Oly

wavetrain75 · Post by **wavetrain75** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:26 pm

It really depends on how many pennies you plan on saving. Rock Island Armory makes a very solid 1911 that can be had for around $400. Charles Daily is another good less expensive model.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:06 pm

wavetrain75 wrote:It really depends on how many pennies you plan on saving. Rock Island Armory makes a very solid 1911 that can be had for around $400. Charles Daily is another good less expensive model.

Unfortunately CD is a goner.

Oly