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Thoughts please :)

Need some input on quality, accuracy, fit and finish, etc., on the Uberti Model 1866. I like the brass and octogon barrel but have never owned or know of anyone that has owned a Uberti. Are they any good? I know they are pricey.
I was thinking the .38 cal as being the economical way to go. I don't hunt, just like to shoot.

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Thanks for the info.........

What caliber would be the most economical in todays market for plinking and the range?
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The 38 Special chambering isn't historically correct, but it would be the most practical and economical for target shooting. It's also a great small game or varmint caliber if you decide to put it to that use. ;)
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Gotcha..........so then, historically, what would the proper cal?
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grahng wrote:Gotcha..........so then, historically, what would the proper cal?
1860 Henry = .44 Henry Rim Fire flat
1866 Win = .44 Henry Rim Fire flat
1873 Win = .32 WCF (32-20), 38 WCF (38-40), 44 WCF (44-40)

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Thanks..........enjoy Turkey day :)
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OKAY GUYS, FIGURE IT ALL UP AND SEND THE NEW GUY A BILL FOR OUR CONSULTING FEES.
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GET ONE and enjoy! I've had my .38 Yellow Boy for over thirty years and it is an absolute delight. Handsome, handy, slick and accurate and its a small game gun deluxe. They're cheap to feed if you're a handloader and the unconverted will even give you brass. Fun? Soft report, no recoil, cans jump higher than a .22, what's not to like?
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Seriously, for what you want, the 38 Special chambering is perfect.
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OK Terry...........I agree on the consulting fees...check is in the mail.

Seriously. the new guy appreciates all the expertise.

Any suggestions on where the new guy can location one of these beauties at a fair price?
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Although I've never shot one in 38 Special, something tells me that as far as the report and recoil are concerned, it'd be the closest in that regard to shooting an 1866 in 44 Henry RF.
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You might check with Nate Kiowa Jones here - via http://www.stevesgunz.com
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I have a Uberti Model 1866 in .44-40. That would not have been my first choice in caliber, but I love the rifle. (The only reason .44-40 would not have been first choice is that I already have a brace of SAA's in .45 LC, and would have preferred the rifle to have the same caliber. But, .44-40 is more historically correct, in spite of it being center fire vs. rim fire.) Mine is a reproduction of the Winchester 1866 Sporting rifle. It shoots very, very well. It gets a lot of attention at the range. Excellent operation. The fit and finish are really superb. It is one of the prettiest guns I own - if not THE prettiest.

I also own a Uberti built Remington Revolving Carbine. The fit and finish there is just as fine. It also has proven to be a great shooter, even with the R&D .45 LC replacement cylinder when you don't want to do the percussion dance.

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I have a Uberti Model 1866 in .44-40. That would not have been my first choice in caliber, but I love the rifle. (The only reason .44-40 would not have been first choice is that I already have a brace of SAA's in .45 LC, and would have preferred the rifle to have the same caliber. But, .44-40 is more historically correct, in spite of it being center fire vs. rim fire.)
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Neither 45 Colt nor 44-40 are historically correct for the Model 1866. The 1866 was only factory chambered for 44 Henry Rimfire, except for a few which were chambered for a centerfire version of the same cartridge. These rifles were produced very late in the production run and were shipped to Brazil. The original 66's had a shorter frame than the modern Uberti made replicas. The 44 Rimfire round was shorter than the 44-40, and the carrier on the originals was sized for the 44 Rimfire round. The frame of the modern version has been 'stretched' a bit in the area of the carrier in order to house a longer carrier which is long enough for both the 45 Colt and the 44-40 round. Same with the modern Henry replicas. The carrier on the originals simply was not long enough to accommodate the 44-40 or the 45 Colt round.

Here is a photo that may be helpful. The short copper cased round 3rd from the right is a Henry Rimfire round. The round all the way on the left is a 44-40, the round all the way on the right is a 45 Colt.

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I've always wanted one of these, probably a '66 in 357 Mag. But I've always heard how weak the actions are and wondered about running them with full steam357 loads.

Are these things strong enough that running 357 mag through them is going to be OK? I think I remember seeing them in 44 Special too? That would be my second choice of caliber, but if I had to stick with pipsqueak loads I'll pass.
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Warhawk wrote:I've always wanted one of these, probably a '66 in 357 Mag. But I've always heard how weak the actions are and wondered about running them with full steam357 loads.

Are these things strong enough that running 357 mag through them is going to be OK? I think I remember seeing them in 44 Special too? That would be my second choice of caliber, but if I had to stick with pipsqueak loads I'll pass.
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Warhawk wrote:I've always wanted one of these, probably a '66 in 357 Mag. But I've always heard how weak the actions are and wondered about running them with full steam357 loads.

Are these things strong enough that running 357 mag through them is going to be OK? I think I remember seeing them in 44 Special too? That would be my second choice of caliber, but if I had to stick with pipsqueak loads I'll pass.
You won't see a Uberti made 66 in 357m. The Uberti made 66's are truly brass frame guns and won't take much of the 357m bolt thrust.
There are some ASM/Chaparral made 66's that were chambered in 357m but these guns were not brass. The receiver are steel with brass like plating. But, they had some problems with those guns QC wise.
If you like the look of the brass frame guns your best bet is the Henry Repeating Arms Big Boy.
It's even available in 44mag. It looks like brass but it's not nor is it plated steel. I've D&T-ed for tang sights and the chips/swarf even look like brass but will stick to a magnet.
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I HAVE A UBERTI '73 RIFLE IN 357MAG. IT SHOOTS GREAT AND HANDLES THE 357MAG CARTRIDGES JUST FINE. REMEMBER THIS, THOSE UBERTI '73 GUNS IN 357MAG HAVE TO PASS CIP PROOF IN EUROPE AND THAT IS A BIT HIGHER THAN OUR 357MAG PROOF PRESSURES. NOW, THIS DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY OF LOADING THE '73 TO HIGHER PRESSURES AT ALL !!! TAKE THE HIGHER VELOCITIES THAT LONGER BARREL WILL GIVE YOU AND BE HAPPY WITH THE THOUGHT THAT THE 357MAG BULLET IS DEVELOPING HIGHER ENERGIES THAN A 44MAG PISTOL.
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A few years ago a friend of mine bought a used '73 chambered in 357 Mag. Then he discovered a hairline crack in the frame. He brought it back where he bought it and got his money back. Caveat Emptor.
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I have an old Uberti Model 1866 "Yellow Boy" in .38 Special. It is a carbine, with a round barrel. Lots of fun to shoot - and the .38 Special is a heck of a lot better round than the original .44 Rimfire ballistically! :D
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The ones I've seen are simply lovely and well made but I have to admit I like the '73 better than the '66 for several reasons: 1) I like the looks of case coloring as much as brass, 2) I like the sliding dust cover on top of the '73s, 3) I like the face that you can get a '73 in .44-40 because it's an excellent round that is also correct for the piece, and lastly 4) I suspect that a steel framed '73 might wear better than a '66. The actions on both are simply wonderful.

Folks I know locally love 'em! If you need a good shop that has 'em in stock give the Thunderstick Trading Post in Tucson a call. They'll get you set up.

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I read somewhere that the 44-40 round has its limitations for accuracy at about 50 yds. Can anyone comment on that?
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olyinaz wrote:The ones I've seen are simply lovely and well made but I have to admit I like the '73 better than the '66 for several reasons: 1) I like the looks of case coloring as much as brass, 2) I like the sliding dust cover on top of the '73s, 3) I like the face that you can get a '73 in .44-40 because it's an excellent round that is also correct for the piece, and lastly 4) I suspect that a steel framed '73 might wear better than a '66. The actions on both are simply wonderful.

Folks I know locally love 'em! If you need a good shop that has 'em in stock give the Thunderstick Trading Post in Tucson a call. They'll get you set up.

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The 66 is available in 44-40 as well as 44spec. 45lc, and 38spec. and limited in 38-40. The 73 with it's modern steel frame will certainly take more pressure than the 66 but not much more. In the over all scheme of things they both are really weak actions and it has more to do with the toggle links. These toggle links have too many points of wear to hold up for the long haul. One of the benifits of re-lining the old 73's is when reaming the new chamber you get a chance to restore the headspace without having to set the barrel back.

grahng wrote:I read somewhere that the 44-40 round has its limitations for accuracy at about 50 yds. Can anyone comment on that?
That has more to do with the quality of the ammo. 44-40 is a bit more involved to reload than most of the straight wall cals. For accuracy pressures have to be consistent and the bullet crimp has a lot to do with pressure. The thin wall bottle necks like 44-40 can be problematic with crimps.
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grahng wrote:I read somewhere that the 44-40 round has its limitations for accuracy at about 50 yds. Can anyone comment on that?
HOW WOULD THAT BE ?? WHAT WOULD LIMIT IT ???
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I have used a 92 Rossi/44-40 for long range CAS/SASS side matches. I was using a 240 gr. Laser-Cast SWC and double crimping. First crimp, a roll crimp, Second a Lee FCD. This gave me good accuracy to 200 Meters. My 44-40 round was competing with 45 Colts and Won.

BTW; My preference is the 73, for safety reasons. The 66's can be prone to OBD's.
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Terry...how would that be or what would limit it...have no idea lol...it's just what I read and sounded odd to me.

OK all you experts out there, now that I am thoughly confused about which piece to spend my millions on. Are there any drawbacks to any of these rifles, Uberti's? I'm a range and plinkerr. I don't hunt anything except new guns lol and 30 yrs ago hunted alot of women but those days are long past.

Will the Uberti's brass magazine hold up for all cal's made with regular ammo. I don't reload.

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I read somewhere that the 44-40 round has its limitations for accuracy at about 50 yds. Can anyone comment on that?
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Whoever said that simply did not know what they were talking about. I have four rifles chambered for 44-40, an original Winchester Model 1892 manufactured in 1894, a Marlin Model 1894 manufactured in 1895, an Uberti Model 1873 and an Uberti 1860 Henry. All of them are tack drivers, they shoot far better than I can see. It all has to do with how consistent your ammo is. Yes, 44-40 is a little bit fussier to reload then 45 Colt, but I have been reloading 44-40 for years now and I can crank out plenty of ammo without crushing any cases or having any problems with my crimps. You just have to be a little bit more careful than loading 45 Colt.

The Uberti Henry and '66 have a brass frame, not magazine. The magazines are steel. Yes, modern brass framed Uberti 1866s and Henrys can safely digest any SAAMI spec 44-40 or 45 Colt ammo without damage to the frame or action. What Nate is referring to is the fact that with the old toggle link design, the bolt is never truly locked like it is with a modern rifle. Modern rifles have steel lugs on the bolt which rotate or slide into matching slots in the receiver, locking the action up like a bank vault. This includes the Winchester Model 1892 design. With the toggle links like the Henry, '66, or '73 the bolt is held in battery when the toggle links are straightened out. There are no physical locking lugs. Working the lever folds the links, which withdraws the bolt. With this design really heavy recoiling loads can batter the pivots or the shoulders of the links, where they rotate in the frame, ruining headspacing. But even with the brass framed Ubertis, this is not a problem as long as you stay with standard SAAMI spec ammo, which is what you are most likely to find on shop shelves.

If you don't reload, shooting much 45 Colt or 44-40 ammo will quickly put you in the poor house. Factory 38s are not cheap anymore, but they are still cheaper than 45 Colt or 44-40.

Lastly, I prefer the '73 design over the '66 for the same reason somebody else said. The '73 comes standard with a trigger block that prevents the trigger from being pulled until the lever is completely closed and the bolt is in battery. The Henry or '66 do not have that feature, and if you carelessly trip the trigger with your finger as you are closing the lever, you can get an out of battery discharge.

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Hey Driftwood,
I certainly appreciate all the info. I'm understanding things quite abit better.
I really think I will go for the 73, 20" in 357.
Now tell me this. Can I shoot 357 mag and 38 special in this gun?
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Actually, for economy, my Uberti Model 66 in .22lr can't be beaten!!
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I really think I will go for the 73, 20" in 357.
Now tell me this. Can I shoot 357 mag and 38 special in this gun?
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Yes. But sometimes the toggle link rifles are a little bit Overall Case Length sensitive. You may find that some shorter loadings of 38 Sp do not feed properly in a rifle chambered for 357 Mag. Generally speaking, 38 Sp ammo loaded near the Max length for the caliber will feed fine.
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Well, I suppose I have settled into the Uberti 73, 20", 357Mag. Got her oredered today. Dealer said it would 3-4 months.
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Don't get hung up on what's historical in a Model 1866 or you'd end up with a caliber you can't find ammo for to shoot it! The 1866 was originally in .44 Henry rimfire, and I doubt you want to try to own one of those as a shooter!
I personally love the long octagon barrels, as I think they hold and balance better than short carbines. And I've never felt hindered hunting with a 26"-30" octagon barrel personally. The overall weight is a bit more, but I perfer the longer sighting radius it gives, and improved accuracy of the longer sight radius.
I'd also want the .38 Special for fun shooting, but if you planned to ever hunt with it, I'd choose a larger caliber for better knockdown power. I'd go for the .45 Colt caliber. I don't even see a .357 listing as a caliber offering at Uberti's site? I believe it's .38 Special only, not .38 Spl/.357 Mag.
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