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Sounds like maybe trying a smaller near by town PO might help. I deal with three different PO 's locally and all are fairly small town .No problem calling any of them or talking to Postmaster there. Not that will solve anything but you know they have ways of communicating outside what individuals ca...

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I'll almost bet it shows up in the next week or so. Like I said this happens all the time Unfortunatly. Its always same way too . It moves a little down the line ,then nothing ,no movement and followed by its still on the way arriving late. Two to three weeks later it shows up. I just went back and ...

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FFL dealers can ship handguns US Postal Priority two day mail .and is cheapest means for them.

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I've had several firearms shipped Priority Mail that took 2-3 weeks to deliver. Had a handgun shipped by FFL took two weeks.
Each time tracking stopped at a location along the way ,then out of the blue it was delivered.

Pat C

I guess this must be a one off, can't find anyone that's ever heard of such a mod. I have a feeling there must have been an headspace issue with original barrel so this bolt was made to adjust it. When it was rebarreled I guess this modified bolt stayed with the rifle. Based on what I see it looks l...

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I sold six of the seven I had and turned that profits into Winchesters . Couldn't resist at these crazy prices of today. FYI beater grade M44's are selling for $600-$700 today and like new ones well over 1K. I kept an original PU SNIPER inspected at Tula (Tulsky) that's late war nearly perfect .Mint...

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They must be good buisness for them, I talked to Sarah Turnbull couple months ago and they no longer accept customer pre polished parts .
They only do full restoration and these custom factory redo rifles .

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Hand drawing showing difference.

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Arrow points to the no standard surfaces , the bolts forward slot is angled back about 1/16" ,the locking bolts front mating surface has same angle machined to match.

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Rifle is deep in the back of safe,but Ill try to get some photos. No its a 1892 bolt no way to mistake one for 94 as the locking bolts are different. Its a delibertly made service bolt to tight headspace. Question is by who ? Its possible it was purchased from Winchester to be fitted by outside guns...

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Has anyone seen a undersize WRA model 1892 field service bolt? In the early 1990's I traded for a dark patina beater grade 1892 rifle. Mainly as a restoration candidate. 1905 receiver with a late end of production barrel ,marked 50 on the underside. 1950 I assume. Based on the condition I assume it ...

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She trained as a mechanic and truck driver at age 18 in 1944.Always thought that was interesting. She was an experienced horseback rider too.

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Hello fellow lever riflemen and women. I just joined this forum 5 minutes ago and can't help but jump in here. I have a very early USRA New Haven (Miroku) 1886 Takedown with a 26" octogon barrel. I bought it through GB in Feb of 2021 and dropped it off with Turnbull in June of 2021 to be made ...

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Little eye candy, here is a current listing from Leroy Merz.
21K

And a nice deluxe sold recently on GB

I've seen a number of Browning's sent in to be reworked to factory Winchester period finishes .

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No the Chiappa and Uberti both use modern hot dip bluing and cyanide type color case hardening. Not original.

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You say don't consider finish ? Thats pretty much main reason to buy the Turnbull rifle. As its how the 1886 would have looked originally with exact period finishes at a fraction of the cost of an original in same condition. Also I think he offers all of the original calibers. Don't consider Turnbul...

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There is a cam pinned to the lever shelf on left side,this is what lever spring rides against. The last little bit before lever closes the spring tension is felt. This resistance is what pushes the safety catch up so the trigger can be pulled. T hats how the safety works ,when lever is open the trig...

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The accurate year dating is in Shennum and Hartman book .Bert and Larry spent a long time looking through the Polishing Room ledgers at Cody. Bert also has the 1894 list published on Gunbroker Forum. As well as Winchester Collectors Association where he is the administrator . George Madis and Aurtho...

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Funny , This oldtimer is almost 18 you can see the resemblance . He greats me everyday like this.

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Love to see more pictures of the rifle if you have time. The reason the barrel and mag blue are still in Good shape is because they used Rust blue on them ,very durable . And either charcoal or furnace bluing on receiver,which is just oxidized scale from heat and smoke. Not as durable. I see the cal...

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Yeah that's a super bore ,nice for shooting/hunting.

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If you get a hold of him be sure to provide any details/ quote . I would be interested in what he tells you .
Be sure to ask if the liners are black powder rated only ?

John Taylor uses the best liners out there made by TJ's and are hammer forged chromoly. You use smokeless or black powder .

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John Taylor is highly recommended but he told me little over a week ago he's not taking anymore work until he gets caught up. He said to check back in 3 months.

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On lever guns John Taylor is highly recommended ,he uses TJ's hammer forged liners. Prices have recently went up . 1876 I had quoted recently $550 plus shipping . Abouther quote was Wayne York from Oregon $400 plus shipping for standard liners. I can do it myself but cost for me : $225 liner $70 - $...

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Maybe,maybe not.during war time two groove barrels were made to cut down on time required to rifle barrels. It was also determined less grooves increased chamber pressure . Accuracy was also reported not as good as four groove These deficiencies may be miniscule and not detectable especially in an o...

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I was thinking of sending JES my 32WS to get rebored to 38-55 but I don't think he does original Winchester 6 groove rifling.

Personally wouldn't care for the 3 groove

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Thanks for the pictures OldWin, and the additional info.
My 1902 30 WCF has the slotted guide no spring as well.
I find it interesting Pirkle's book on the 1894 shows four different guides labeled by caliber.

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If you have the 32-40 antique as well ,see if you can confirm whether it has the guide with the slot like above.

Thanks!

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Yes it would, your 38-55 should have the cartridge guide with slot like in my picture . What I'm trying to confirm is did 30 WCF and 32-40 also use that same guide during antique years. Later on pre war rifles and carbines I've seen had same guides for all calibers ,kinda a universal guide. The guid...

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Are you worried about possibility of a ruined barrel?
I've got a 32 WS been wanting to take to 38-55

If you ask any of the re-borers the 1894 nickel steel can be tough to rebore .liner probably safer but would rather have rebore.

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My original referance was Pirkle's book, he shows the guide with the slot as 38-55 only ,32 WS and 32-40 same guide, 30 WCF with its own guide ,and 25-35 with its own. Each having a different cartridge cutout ,So far this doesn't seem to be true. The guides above came out of an 1902. 30 WCF that app...

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This is the type guides original thought to be for 38-55.but Bert thinks that guide was used on all pre 1899 calibers.

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Mainly interested in pre 1899 ,but sure if you can that would be great.

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Anybody that has an original antique 1894 especially in 30 WCF take a picture of possible of the cartridge guides .Second models with internal screw.

Was talking with Bert H. and he seems to think all antique second models had same cartridge guide. But I thought they were different myself.

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Those older barrels 1873,1876 etc. Were at the beginnings of steel production at Winchester . Merely just a low carbon mild steel that's why they are softer. By the late 1890's nickel steel was being used and lot better refinements to steel mixtures. Some time I might send off some samples for analy...

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Just for grins and giggles I lightly polished a spot on a piece of scrap 1873 barrel from 1888. And an 1892 barrel from WW1 era 1917 app. The 1873 barrel is near dead soft app.at 13 - 15 RC as its below minimum scale reading. The 1892 barrel is around 20 -22 RC. So its a little harder than the earli...

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That aging is a secret science , I usually just use a little rust brown carded to a grey brown .

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I like it ,looks good hanging out. Originally that's all I expected this to be was a fireplace hanger. But I feel justice has been done ,and this old rifle will live to fire anouther round. That was the wish of my friends late cousin so I hope he is looking down and satisfied with the progress. Did ...

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Good looking rifle , its got class and good caliber too!

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Thanks!

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DT thanks, I actually have the original drawings of the lever and most of the internal parts . Thanks to Micheal two bit . Cody's McKrakin research library has most of Winchesters drawings.

Is the cam the same as 1873?

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I noticed you said welded the lower tang ,what filler did you use ? I've used 4130 tig on 1892 tangs worked fine.
The 1876 lever as You can see was broken at the cam shoulder. Hoping to save it by welding.
It was originally color case hardened ,probably temper the weld zone back some .

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Looking back at this old CADA Gun Journal from 1994, cover shot two mint condition 1873 rifles .Thought the photo was pretty cool.I remember seeing rifles like these Ocassionally at shows year ago but pretty rare in that condition.

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That old 1876 receiver I have is stripped with complete broken lever . Heavy brown patina with some pitting . Thought about restoring it but may just leave it as found. Originally was a 45-60 octagon barrel. At one time I planned this to become a deluxe rifle ,color case receiver ,H checkered fancy ...

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Duplicate delete please.

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This old rifle was given to me and considered just parts or. Plain junk. I figure it saved and fully functional again. I don't even mind the old silver wire brush finish anymore even though that dark brown patina as evident on the buttplate would have been more authentic. My friends cousin 85 years ...

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Thanks , it was satisfying to bring it back .Probably one of dirtiest firearms I've personally worked on . Dead spiders and 140 years of crud . It was no more than a tool during its life . Mainly just a wall hanger to me but It will live again.

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Finished the old 73 as planned to 20" short rifle ,still need to make mortises cover spring and touch up the machined areas with some rust brown to blend. Had to do major body work on mag tube, made a mandrel and used a polished body hammer to straighten. Then flipped it around to use the best ...

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Anouther nice one!! I find myself as of late buying receivers and various parts to eventually become my own spin on my favorite rifles. I have 1876 frame ,1892 SRC 44 almost complete , original deluxe 1894 just missing a barrel , 1873 lacking just a couple pieces and TLC , The 1876 is a new found lo...

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Yeah I talked to Bob over at Winchester barrels a while back ,looks like a good option . But I keep leaning toward having Lilga Barrels make me a heavy and I 'll just do machine work myself.. Parts are so limited and most not in good shape so my goal is to make every part from modern steel .

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