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Courtesy of Sturm Ruger Co.

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My think lately has been .22 rifles ,recently picked up anouther Savage 29B for cheap $155 . Had a broken piece out of stock and some surface oxidation. In process detailing cleaning that. Repaired the stock by making a flat cut with biscuit mortise. Grafted a matching grain piece using Tightbond ex...

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My 38WCF barrel was like this one , cut in front of hanger dovetail .Front sight dovetail and muzzle looked like it was cut by hacksaw Harry. Couldn't deal with that so I recut mine properly with machine tools to 20" and recut the radial hanger dovetail and front sight dovetail at correct locat...

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Assuming using a machine rest ?

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What did you determine caused this 1886 failure ?

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This is what the inside of most Winchester parts looked like very very coarse grain structure. This is a broken 1876 lever from 1883. You can see the very tin case hardened smooth layer but the core is coarse grained steel. Levers were forged like frames. Scale does get embedded into the surface of ...

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These photos are from Winchester in late 1930's prior to WW2
Same forging equipment was being used at turn of the century and probably earlier. Most open die forging have progressive dies to go from bar to finished forging which is usually close to final size.

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Winchester used dies to forge, simple round stock placed in the die and drop hammer conformed the barstock into rough forging. No seams or folds in the metal. What your seeing is the grain boundaries following the contours of the raw forging.

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From sometime in mid 1870's Steel was the material . But these earlier steels especially the receivers were just a low carbon mild steel . You don't see the lines as much with color case hardened receivers because the surface is hardened making the grain finer. But they do still show occasionally.

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I've seen these forging lines on a lot of old lever action repeating rifles, and always on blued receivers with a little or a lot of wear. Can't say as I've ever seen them on color cased receivers, and I think it's because the bluing salts can get into microscopic pores and highlight the forging li...

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Sorry for your loss , had a similier situation this year .Longtime friend and coworker of 30 plus years retired back in July . Back in October he went see his brother in Colorado and had a massive heart attack and passed away. Good man gone but will not be forgotten.

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The reason behind it was the older poorer quality steels and no subsequent heat treat . Basically the receiver were heated to pretty high heat and die forged then slow cooled so grain stayed at its larger size. The were machined then open hearth charcoal blued or later charcoal blued in gas furnace....

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Here is an 1892 well worn and grain lines prominent

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I know most here have seen old Winchesters with what appeared to be scratches in the sides . Some people even called them forging lines. What is actually happening is during the high heat from forging and subsequent slow cooling the grain becomes very coarse . The forging dies cause the steel grain ...

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Rifle looks nice and 44 WCF is in high demand in an 1892. The barrel has been cut off shorter ,probably damaged/ringed behind front sight. Would be easy to change it to 20" short rifle ,reputable the radial hanger dovetail in proper place. Probably find the muzzle rifling in better at that loca...

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My auto went from $176 per month to $213 State Farm .I have a 23 year old on mine Three vehicles all older 2003,2005,2013 no tickets,accidents but full coverage and $500 deductible. I actually just checked Farm Bureau they were higher at $221 for same per month. Pay in full and drop two vehicles to ...

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Cimmarons 1894 is made by Uberti , good article in Guns magazine comparing the original . Only thing I see I don't like is they used the post 64 receiver design.The attention detail in the receiver is just not anywhere close to prewar Winchester rifles. For $1600 I'll be shopping for an original. Ch...

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Nice shooting, assuming it has antique finish

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Sixgun wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:50 am I’m down to about 3 but this is my favorite..takedown 1893 Marlin made in 1901….mint bore and it slugs at .377. No brag but I’ve won trophies with this rifle against quality single shots

That is a wonderful example !!

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38-55 is a great round , ammo is fairly common at most good gun shops and especially online. Expect to pay $75 -$100 a box though.

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Looks like a lot of country for them to lay up and hide in.

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Only have one 336 and was my Dad's in 35 Rem . We could talk about inflation prices for days but want change anything. Like sixgun said a new Colt SAA was $194 MSRP in 1971 Dad built a brand new house same year ranch house on full basement for $20,000 . He worked for a state college as electrician /...

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Found a couple vintage .41 Long double action for Colt 1877 Thunderer in an old bin of junk looking for something else.
USCCO

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Well this is an outstanding post and you just confirmed that the frame/tang is still made from hammer forging . Wonderful !!

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Here is the catalog .

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I have the 1942 catalog with all the accessories I can post including the slings if that will help?

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Yeah that's pretty excessive. Too proud is not always a good thing. Winchester had a tolerance on wood fit of 1/64" .
Usually just enough to catch a finger nail to almost flush.
They are doing this to speed up production "one size fit all"

Easy fix though if desired .

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Well somebody finally bought that Navy Colt ,it went through couple cycles ending no bids until someone either accepted this fact or didn't realize it. I almost sent the seller an email stating hiw ridiculous it was and that's why they had no bids . I guess crow would have been what's for dinner had...

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Nice buck ! Been watching them last week or so seen several already chasing does in my yard and in my travels.

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Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:18 pm Like Jim and others, I don't need to buy from someone who isn't interested in my business. If you make it harder to buy from you than the law requires, you don't want my business.

I agree

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I found out the receivers,internals,and barrels are all forged steel . With this in mind one can expect to pay a premium over any foreign arms. Only critique I would give is I don't like the Marlin style checkering and I do not like later fat forend wood. Option for plain wood and bone charcoal colo...

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I thought I read the receiver and barrel were made from forgings ? If that is true that in itself explain some of the extra cost .
Most companies have been using investment castings to reduce cost and machining time.

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Occasionally people remove the staples on 1892,1873 SRC . Especially if some form of restoration or maybe a damaged or cut staple. The older staples passed through receiver and were almost swaged a little inside . A 1/8 punch carefully placed through spring cover screw hole will tap the legs out. Bu...

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Bill in Oregon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:02 pm Then there are the FFLs who will not accept a long gun except from another dealer.

That's why I never fooled with C&R. Lots of dealers will not honor it. It was great buying surplus guns back in the day ,now not so much.

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I've run into this before, and fortunately my FFL dealer wont play the stupid game! As he told me, "Just because some others are ignorant doesn't mean I have to be too." He's always just handed the guns to me when they came in, and shook my hand. No paperwork, and no further ignorance. Th...

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Was considering purchase of a Colt 1851 Navy online dealer. Tell me it must go to FFL as it has a serial . I tell him they all have serials ,it's a non firearm .Proof of age is all he needs. No company policy no exceptions, what a load of BS . So then I call my FFL I use for transfers he tells me if...

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11.4 MB is to big of file here , largest file I've ever loaded here was 1.6 MB
You need to reduce size to try to be in the KB range.
Easy on a smart phone to take pictures then edit to reduce file size.

No idea what MiB is ?

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I thought I read tge receivers and barrels were made from forgings?

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I'd rather have the Ruger any day but thinking price may not get the sales for them .

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Well what do you people think of the new Ruger Marlin 1894's at $1k -$1200 ???

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All those spin off model. ,53,55, 64,65,71 were all a last ditch effort to increase slumping sales of the parent models ,1886,1892,1894

They took some of the more popular extra cost options and made these new models . Rapid taper barrels, short mag tubes,pistol grips etc.

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Great story !!

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The Russian capture German K98 rifles were some of the last great deals of the last 25 years or so. Early 2000's you could buy on for $99-$200 depending on whether markings were peened out. Pristine RC now going for $800-$1000 . Probably will never be any more imported. I remember Empire Arms saying...

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I had a second K98 barreled action DOU , had planned to custom build a shooter .Had all of its evil Nazi markings peened out. But ended up selling it . Wish now I would have kept it.

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Not bedded but it fits like a glove in the laminate stock .
I'm going to pick up some 8mm match PPU ammo and see what it will do soon . It's was likely captured at the beginning of the war.

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Anybody here like K98 mausers ? Not really a collector but I like it.Started as a Russian capture barreled action from Coles and I added a red glue laminate stock . To make a dandy shooter grade rifle. I've had it for 10 years and never shot it. Plan to get some 8mm match to try soon.The bore and me...

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The 1894 is one of my favorite rifles or at least up to the last of the long wood carbines. After that the desire greatly diminished for me. The Japanese copies albeit well done just don't do anything for me. I sure wish they could again make them stateside. But I know that ain't gonna happen. I pul...

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They tried stocking elk in the east back in 50-60's between farmers crops being destroyed and disease from whitetail last ones died out in late 70's . As of late they are coming up from Kentucky and Cherokee NC .Just a matter of time .

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I mis my terrier mix ,he passed back in February was 18 years old. We had him for over 17 and was like loosing a child .
He was same an excellent watch dog .

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Might have been only thing left was grip frame

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