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When you realise a century is just an average lifetime with a bit extra at each end

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Article makes a good point that taylors KO forumula refers to concussing elephant with head shots that miss the brain. The bigger the gun the longer they get knocked out even if the brain is missed and felt it happened often enough to correlate it to his formula. When the recent safari boom took off...

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Id say they are ok overall or Aussies would stick with 1887 copies. When you need that much paperwork to own or move a gun any brands requiring constant warranty action lose popularity fast. I recall reading years ago chiappa's 1887 got rejected for that reason.Turk lever actions seem to be doing ok...

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I think the best bullet for expansion in the .44 Special was made by Speer and is unfortunately discontinued. It was a half jacket bullet that weighed 225 grains with a very soft core and it was a great all-around bullet for the .44 Special. Today, I load a Keith SWC over 7.5 gr of Unique and I wou...

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Well Bell was head shooting elephant with smallbores, he needed all the penetration he could get. I like expanding bullets myself where approriate. I think a good HP at just under the speed of sound does fine on the right sized game. Just wondering what else is out there bullet wise. I think the old...

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its interesting that expanding 38 special and 45acp options get quite a bit of airplay especially with the subsonic hunting guys but 44special and 45 colt not so much.

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A lifetime ago I was into big game rifles. Owned a 375H&H and 416rigby CZ550 and a also short relationship with a 460wby MkV lazermark( too much abuse, sold about a box of ammo later). 357 and 44 mag from a lever is about my limit these days.

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GunnyMack wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:12 pm I always liked the Remington 240 gr with the scalloped jacket. Those worked at just about any speed!

Didnt think of that, those Rem SJHP work well in 38 special as well. I am guessing they have gone the way of the dodo now though with remingtons demise.

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Jim larger stuff I would agree, actually agree in general .429 and .452 is a great start as it is. I find expanding JHP pretty good though subsonic on smaller/mid game, falls over a bit faster.

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Not mine but thought it might be interesting for those using 44 special and low speed 44mag in lever guns. Im always interested in what expands at subsonic speeds, obviously a lot of bullets wont being designed for magnum power. As expected good showing by gold dot and a few others. If anyone has ot...

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It's Turkish either Adler, pardus or uzkun. Main export market is Aussies due to the pump Action restrictions..
They are not high grade but usually functional. For user opinions search the Aussie forums enoughgun.com and Australian hunting net they got some good guys posting about them.

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A friend today decided to run some of these through his Rossi 1892 20" barrel. The box says about 945fps from a pistol and youtube tests bear this out. Through the lever.... a bit more pop and blast then he expected and they blasted a jug setup pretty good. So he ran them through the chrony, 13...

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I dont have any advice to give but I have to admit I like the idea. How practical it is one thing, but definetly has some cool factor attached. Like fellas running 230 grain pin bullets in 38 special or 700 grain in 500S&W. Why the heck not

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thanks fellas gives me some options to check out. main reason for scope is the eyesight isnt great for seeing things at range. Targets blur into the background these days, also my astigmatisms give red dots a cracked windsheild effect. I see good through bolt rifle scopes so will see how an IER scop...

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I’m in Canada, and a Rossi 92 in .357 has been my go-to woods gun for many years. I’ve harvested a half dozen whitetail in as many years (we grow them bigger up here than say, Texas) and a Black bear boar that took deep offence at me being too close to a kill he’d just made. Lever guns are pretty i...

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Thanks all, on the strength of that I might pick up a second pearons rail for the other gun too. I know 92's are meant to be a bit hit and miss with 38 special but for some reason these latest ones I am using rounds all the way down to 1.43" OAL and fat meplats. Maybe changes by CBC or I just g...

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Fellas anyone notice general accuracy trends between pistol calibre lever actions. I know its gun/load dependant but wondered if there was any trend to show say 44, or 45 or 357 does better. One thing I was thinking, if we are talking light loads, powders might move around less in a 38special than s...

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Can anyone suggest some scope models that suit the scout position on top eject lever guns? Does the eye relief require 'pistol scopes' or are there other scopes with enough eye relief? I have used red dots before, but thought I would try a scope this time. Trying to keep costs down as well, I like l...

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They can deploy drone guns these days. Cops at various international summits use them to protect airspace apparently. I dont know the tech involved, i assume they jam the signal. Possibly trace owners once they recover a downed one and check its details. https://www.droneshield.com/dronegun-tactical

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GunnyMack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:05 am Not only local numbers but also numbers with the same exchange on cell phones. Last summer I'm at a match, we had just started to shoot when my phone rings- MY cell phone number was calling ME!

Sorry but i didnt even realise that was possible. That is crazy

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Nothing very remarkable or new by me here. Rossi 1892 stainless in 357 mag, 20" barrel, new CBC make. Decided to pick one of these up while they are still around. Will keep my current blued version company. https://i.postimg.cc/RCnMM5mq/Rossi-stainless.jpg Also ordered one of these. Anyone have...

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Well I understand the care people take to save their hearing, and that's great. But if I grabbed my ear muffs every time I heard a noise outside that made me grab my gun to investigate, I'd be wearing ear muffs many times for no reason. So far I've never fired a shot on these ventures to check thin...

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Chiappa still makes 1892s' yes in various configurations, they even did a takedown. I cant speak to their 1892's quality, but I know in other models I was not happy with quality and wont buy them again.

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Never said the sound level of your gun wouldn't damage your hearing. What I said was you wont notice it at the time it's happening under duress. Just like you wont notice the recoil then either. The moments afterwards you'll calm down and notice both. Not sure if you picked up from my first post, s...

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Ive heard shots under duress. One burst from a twin mounted f89 and by the time it stopped I had dropped a hearing threshold and added 6 notes permanenty to my tinnitus. :D Almost as bad was the heavy course of prednisalone I got put on, I felt whacky for weeks. I will agree if war or civil strife i...

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For around the home, the farm, or when the zombies roll in, whats do you prefer folks? I am a fan of the 357 for a few reasons, two main ones being I dont need the range of 223 where I am, I dont envisage getting into 300 yard contacts with squad strength bad guys, and a reason not often stated is f...

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AJMD429 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:40 pm AR's are nice but I'd not want to touch one off without hearing protection at night, and if I did that to get rid of a raccoon in the hen-house at night, the chickens would probably all die of shock, and the goats would stampede to the next county...! ).

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That woman above feinting or whatever she is doing really gets me.

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I think they get away with it as 50AE is only moderate pressures, 32-40kpsi vs 48 for the 480ruger and 65 for the 454. just found a thread on it here from way back in 2008. Id assume this fella is no longer in production as not many internent references to his conversions since then. https://www.lev...

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Thanks Steve, thats great info.

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The situation is much more dire than I realized having not shopped for projectiles for a while. Hold onto whatever you have now fellas, or if you uncover some locally buy it for yourself.

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They only come in .38

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Well the things you learn. Apparently a more common conversion is 50AE on a 94 action! Anyone run into one of these? Donor calibre is 44 mag as it has similar rim dimensions. Not chasing this calibre, just found it interesting.

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Thanks fellas. Tutt, I considered the 475 LB but being this is for reduced loads Id like the least capacity possible. As to future use, good point Buck, it could be stamped 480 ruger reduced or simiilar. If they want to blow it up after that , they are in the same category of folks putting hot loads...

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Piller, thankyou! Tutt, yes probably would come in cheaper the issue would be when they came up. Also Id guess if they had a 20" barrel, I prefer longer. This is all probably armchair musings by me anyhow, but who knows if someone said its doable and its doable today for well under 3k I might c...

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I got my hands on a B92 at one stage, had seen quite a bit of use in cowboy action and the fella wanted $800 I think. I passed it up as it didnt like feeding the short 38 specials my Rossi digests. Probably the only time a Rossi beat a browning in some way. Actually I recall Steve saying Rossi's pro...

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Thanks fellas. I am a 1 centrefire only guy these days but thinking 1 centefire 'with 1-2 identical backups' in the safe still keeps the philosophy intact. Thanks for the points too on those parts which do come in handy.

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Can any knowledgeable folks advise whether it is possible to convert a Rossi 92 to 480 ruger? I know Rossi did a limited run of them, question is whether things were done during manufacture that a gunsmith cant duplicate afterwards. Other thing is cost, I know coming from a big game rifle background...

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Thanks wvfarrier, noted.

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Times like these get you thinking about long term maintenance of firearms. I have a few odds and ends stored. Looking for opinions from more experienced folk on what they like to keep on hand

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Nice which bow do you have? I wasnt talking about bow issues so much as arrow loss/damage and broadheads getting beat up at these speeds. How many times have you taken it out?

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I remember serbian women when I was abroad. Fit, poised, despite they had been in a war, down to earth, strong, and loved playing 'the woman''s role'. As long as you played 'the man' well enough and didnt stray they would be there with a towel when you got out the shower, ( as opposed to a knife :D ...

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Scott, great story. I have nothing to compare but did know of a fella who once got treed by hogs . He left his firearm at the base of the tree and they had a chew on the stock and sling before they wandered off, I assume they could taste the sweat on it.

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[I’m looking at this in regards to inability to get components down the road . I’ve already got a crossbow that’s right at 400 FPS , but the idea of 500 FPS intrests me . I have a crossbow that runs 380fps but have to admit I couldnt sustain it if things got tight. Attrition rate for arrows and bro...

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I realised when they got infinite genders across the line, truth would never be the same.

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Fellas a long shot but anyone know of stores with these in stock. 135grain Speer GDHP, the short barrel version. Projectiles only

A much longer long shot, Remington Golden Sabre 125 grain JHP, also projectiles only. Id assume these have dissappeared permanently

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Something interesting about John Taylors formula . It gets used for a lot of things these days. Originally he designed it for solid bullets head shooting elephant back in the safari days. He said near misses to the brain with some calibres would put the animal asleep for a while and the bigger the n...

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Good article Scott. I particulary like the bit about effective range. Most articles and google call it a 100 yard cartridge. I was talking to a sales guy at the LGS the other day who declared it was only a 50 yard cartridge(!) If you can find an accurate load it can do a lot better than that.

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to get a 44 mag lever again, and run 44 special through it, with 200 grain speer gold dot that expand as low as 900fps, and softcast bullets for medium stuff up close. Ive always gone back to 357 and have a lot of components set up for it. But there is a uberti 1873 44 mag for sale near me. The prob...

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JimT wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:36 am

He is 82.

Thanks Jim

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