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..make me chuckle at times. Just saw one vid on a guy shooting a 158XTP 38Sp +P load out of a 2" barrel. Video was good, he didnt get much expansion as predicted. he also didnt get much help from the comments... "Im guessing they make stronger powers?" "plus p, I dont believe the...

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It shoots as good as it looks. This is a Uberti 1873 US Marshal IT (Indian Territory) carbine in .44 Special. It actually appears to be chambered in .44 Magnum. Favorite load thus far is 16 gr of 2400 under a 240 grain flat point cast bullet. I imagine that is fairly close to .44-40 ballistics. Hi ...

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I left the shooting game for about a decade and got back into it needing something low abuse, low noise and low cost. Hence pistol calibre carbines got the vote and a pair of 357 rossis are my only centrefire rifles these days. Havent handled the japchesters- could have bought a browning but it didn...

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Thanks for the data fellas. I recall manuals from the old days where it seemed to be more common. I remember a couple of write-ups from decades ago on it too.

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Anyone have sources of load data for the above, or heavier? I know it probably dont make a lot of sense but I also know some folks out there probably try it anyway.

Thanks for any links.

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Griff would they feed a WFN or similar wide hollowpoint like a 200 grain GDHP? same profile in a hardcast would make a mean stomper even at 44 special pressures. https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/63116-DEFAULT-l.jpg A fella as SASS boards said they would but I'm hoping for more ...

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Thanks fellas, whats the report usually like for 44sp in a lever? I am still waiting for the rifle to turn up. If its not too much worse than 22mag it might become my go-to pest gun at yard ranges..

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Its cowboy 240gn lead LFN, says 750fps on the box. Will try it out in a lever action. Any ideas on what velocity it might get out a 20" 44rem mag lever? Also the lead seems pretty soft cast, is there likely to be any expansion on stuff if the lever pushes the velocity up a little?

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I read that phillip wasn't Windsor anyway he was Battenberg turned to Mountbatten as gamekeeper says due to anti German sentiment post WW1 .a lot of them anglicised their names. Was funny reading about royal families in WW1 that the German, Brit monarchs and Russian czar were all first cousins and Q...

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Well he is the old upperclass, they were bred to conquer at all costs. At least you knew where you stood I guess. Now our governments tell us boys can be girls and billionaires declare the way of the future is eating insects to save meat. Not sure what group is worse..

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Came across one of those triple barrelled 12ga shotguns, 26 " barrels. I was thinking of adding a 12ga to the safe as have not owned one for some time. Three barrels is 50 percent better than two right? But seriously does 3 reliable shots bridge any gaps/serve a purpose or is it niether fish no...

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So true.

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Certainly one of the last of an era.

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, question in 2 years will we be able to afford anything even if it's back on the market. Folks just can't grasp the ramifications of these shutdowns and stimulus/ money burning shams. Every month down bought us a year of recession or depression. No crash this time, just taxation and inflation.

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Where I am small businesses are restricted in customers, big businesses and supermarkets aren't. Covid apparently spreads more where the net worth of the business is too low. It suggests folks worried about getting covid or with symptoms get to the busiest store they can with the most customers and ...

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Machete where I am. The two brands I like are Condor and OKC, these are hard quality steel in 1/8 inch thickness. In18 "+ length they are decent choppers on saplings and branches. Cold Steel I agree with the OP are a bit soft. Ok for occasional thwacking but putting to hard use they have to be ...

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Reading about all this 44 special stuff makes me want a lever gun to shoot them out of. This urge to have one keeps resurfacing

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I wonder how many will comply with the "registration"! All those who don’t want a mandatory $250,000 fine and mandatory 10 years in jail for a cut-and-dried ‘federal firearms felony’ for EACH violation of the NFA... Blah, blah, blah. Who's afraid of the big bad wolf? :lol: Well everyone w...

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My favorite Rossi is a .357 with the 24" octagonal barrel; it sure holds nice for off-hand shooting. I hadn't realized it was "railroad heavy" though. Being a young fellow yet I thought the octagon barrel was just about perfect, but maybe when I get to be an old guy I'll come appreci...

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Old savage, agree 357 does not need 24" of barrel. For the record with the right heavy charges of slowburners particularly in strong 92 action 357 can keep seeing a few gains to 24". BBTI only tests factory loaded charges meant for pistol barrels. Doc you are correct 1:16 is not that tight...

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About a year ago I had the zany idea of putting a 24" round barrel with tight 1:16 twist on a rossi 92. At the time I was thinking very heavy subsonic bullets. I put a $50 deposit in with a barrel maker, had been so long with everything going on in the world I had assumed he never got around to...

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If it will expand in a 38 snub nose even less than than optimally, I think you will be okay at 950. https://youtu.be/W5pWEU8qX7g thanks 44 shooter, I found another video too at about 1000fps they are opening moderately to about 50cal. Im a subsonic shooter so hence the interest in these. Thanks aga...

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Thanks fellas, should be okay to avoid stuck bullets. 900-1000fps is typical speeds for GDHP, golden sabres even remingtons UMC 125 and 158 SJHP in this calibre. All expand at these velocities too, probably the best subsonic options in the calibre. A buddy has some 158XTP he is looking to trade so I...

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Just wondering how well they expand just subsonic. Not a lot of videos on this bullets at 900-1000fps impact.Hornadies expansion charts are optimistically low, they rate the bullets a couple hundred fps lower than reality.

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Some interesting info on this thread. Of course its second hand information but the poster here relates an in depth conversation with the techs at CCI. Apparently the small pistol magnum and the small rifle are the same height, cup thickness, and weight of primer compound. Meaning CCI #550 and the #...

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I'll have to read it again, too, very good info. Good to know that small pistol primers in a pinch could be pressed into service with 223 type rifles. assuming i read the above correctly.

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What annoys me too is we get told to 'go green', recycle, watch carbon emissions etc, while big business turns out 10x more disposable junk. They make quallity stuff again, they can kill all birds with one stone.

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thoughts for your family and the old warrior at peace now.

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Great read I have most of Samual bakers works saved in print from pre-internet. A while back some big game rifle fans tracked his half pounder shell gun down to where it rests in a British Museum. Its still owned by the family descendants and measurements show it as about an inch bore, or nominally ...

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Good then. Looks like I am buying whatever I can get my hands on

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basic economics, math, logic and even geography has gone Doc. How else could they get the idea of a pandemic across the line that essentally misses 160 poorer countries, + half the rich countries, but randomly hits the other half of the richest and largest countries the hardest. The inconsistences b...

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My main background in the day, bolt actions required me just buying fed #215 primers. Coming back to shooting the last few years and only using pistol carbines now, I am trying to iron out some knowledge gaps. Jim T's thread a while bacl also got me thinking about the necessity of dual purpose items...

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Mickbr, I was convinced once I needed a chrono so I bought one, I think it is a very useful tool for those with the time and inclination to set it up and use it. I have gone back to old school methods. I do not care about velocity enough to care about fiddling with that chrono thingy. So to answer ...

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hondo1892 I got 2lbs sitting here myself. Hence this thread, which is about deciding whether I want to open it, or use something else

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Doc, good post. Defining their own version of 'need' is how they banned a lot of Australias guns and possibly the UK from memory.

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Dang! I'm just about needing to replace my 20 yr old Carhart insulated coveralls. Maybe I'll see about if little more patching will keep them going. I'm with you on the quality of stuff, mickbr; constant irritation. Used to be I figured I'd pay up to 3x for "made in USA" vs. "made in...

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Scott I agree. Though it can draw a few coughs I have used 22mag on quite a few hogs. A local farmer said I could clear them out for him as long as no larger than 22 wmr in order to keep noise and over penetration down. Tried to sell him on the idea of a 38 special or 44 from a lever action being pr...

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Thanks if anyone might have links or articles they might like to share, or personal hunting stories.

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currently have my best ever, a Ruger 96/22LR lever action. Surprisingly accurate with velocitors and stingers which I mostly use. I have owned more accurate and fancy 22LR over the years, 2 x CZ452 inlcuding the American model and the long barrel trainer with the hogback stock and open sights. But w...

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earlmck, thanks very much for all that. Only 616psi from the 24" barrel, over 8x less than the 30-30 load! And the quickload velocity matches closely what I know I fella is getting from a 24" lever with 6 grains of BE incidentally. Precise program.

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Fellas is it just me or does anyone else get tired of the poor quality of items these days. I'm talking guns, camping gear, tents, optics, GPS, flashlights, the works. I always seem to have something or other on warranty return. You see all the time folks on youtube reviews and the latest generation...

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Jim T can I ask what the water case capacity of your case is?

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It's not fair losing a good father that young. coincidentally it's 40 years since my folks divorced. Only ran into my father twice after that which was two times more than I'd have liked. he came out of the army changed, tended to use anything around as a punching bag if you get what I mean and was ...

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Fellas was wondering what the typical exit/muzzle pressures are for 44 special in a lever action. say a typical 5.5-6 grain load of some fast burning powder back of a 200 grain bullet and a 24" barrel. Was dicussing with non-firearms owning friends the difference in blast between low powered pi...

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I just purchased my first # of CFE Pistol the other day. It falls right in with HS 6 and Winchester Auto Comp. I am hoping to get good results with .44 SPECIAL, but with the cold temps we are having, reloading isnt much of a priority right now. Unique is 31 on the burn rate chart. CFE Pistol is 42 ...

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Fisher-Price wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:16 pm I’ve tried it in a couple of different things, mediocre results so far. Need to test it more in 9mm and will also try 10mm

Can I ask mediocre in what way? Inconsistent velocities or not matching listed velocities? As mentioned this isnt a magnum powder for high velocities

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GunnyMack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:16 pm I tried it in my 41 mag, I wasn't all that impressed by the velocity.

Its too fast burning for high velocities in big cases, more a mid level option. Or did you mean inconsisent velocities?

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Anyone used CFE Pistol powder fellas? Hodgon lists in 38+P, 5.5 grains behind a 158XTP getting 986fps and only 18,500psi. Also in 357mag 5.6grains gets 1107fps and 6.9 grains gets 1233fps. Thats from hodgons crazy 10" barrel statistics of course. From a lever barrel I am thinking the lesser loa...

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