18 grs of unique isn't anywhere near the gun wrecker some think it is, :wink: Seriously? Eighteen grains of Unique? In the 45 Colt? You want to try again with that please? You must mean 18 grains of 2400, but you need to back up and be a bit more careful here. Cat I missed that one cat! Nevertheles...

I know this is a 45 Colt topic but I will finish what I started. Well I finally did it. 44-40 High Velocity 200gr Speer JHP WLP StarLine (new brass) 18gr recent Alliant 2400 Chronograph 10ft ahead of barrel Bench rest Uberti Buckhorn 44 Magnum 7 1/2 barrel Same loads shot in Marlin 1894CB. Loaded an...

Here is mine: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/524467_3582809170272_421579808_n.jpg Colt U.S. Firearms Old Vaquero New Vaquero Uberti Cattleman Uberti Buckhorn Cylinder Diameter 1.652 1.674 1.732 1.675 1.671 1.719 Cylinder Length 1.607 1.625 1.703 1.610 1.614 1.698 Frame Window He...

Kirk, Interesting topic! I've been doing a bit of work in this area myself. Since I was using a recently acquired .44-40 Marlin Cowboy rifle, I have posted my test results at the link below. The issue with the slower burning powders even at the higher charge weights (20-22 grs.) is the difference i...

It has been reported that the Great Western 45 Colt replicas made in the 1950s used 30gr of 2400 with no damage and upheld 52,000 psi loads. 27gr of the same loads in the Colts bulged the cylinders. The cylinders of the GWs were made from high carbon SEA 4140 chrome-moly treated to 36 Rockwell on th...

.45colt wrote:I bet Elmer Keith is Laughing and rollin in the isles about now.....He had the .45 Colt figured out about 80 years ago........................................................................................

Skeeter mostly recommended 7.5 grs of unique in the 44 special with the 429244 bullet and 9 grs of the same powder in the 45 colt with the 250 gr swc... He also shot 10 gr unique in the 38 and 44 wcf... Yeah, and the sweet thing is that he had Ruger old model 357s (three screw) converted to 44 spl'...

Skeeter mostly recommended 7.5 grs of unique in the 44 special with the 429244 bullet and 9 grs of the same powder in the 45 colt with the 250 gr swc... He also shot 10 gr unique in the 38 and 44 wcf... Yeah, and the sweet thing is that he had Ruger old model 357s (three screw) converted to 44 spl'...

Dixie thanks for the kind words. Jack if you pull your head out of the sand just long enough to go look at Alliants web data, unless they've changed it recent, you'll find some of these herculean loads you're referring to actually stay well within saami specs..... the bludot load is especially a go...

Savvy Jack - Not trying to start a war with ya, but you might want to think about what Don has told you. He's a good guy and I'd bet that he'd be happy if you're able to grow old. :D Well, as old Will Rogers said "Some men learn by reading, some men learn by listening, and some guys just have ...

SAVVY_JACK wrote:

Don McDowell wrote:Savvy Jack you may want to spend a couple of minutes browsing thru the online data at Alliants website...

Been there, done that.

I'd rather read live accounts from the 30s, 40s and 50s...even the 60s rather than watered down legal stuff.

Hey, I did not say "stuff"

Don McDowell wrote:Savvy Jack you may want to spend a couple of minutes browsing thru the online data at Alliants website...

Been there, done that.

I'd rather read live accounts from the 30s, 40s and 50s...even the 60s rather than watered down legal stuff.

Keith blew up his 45 Colt SAAvin 1925. It was on the forth of July. He used .458 300gr bullets originally intended to be used in the 45-90 Winchester and black powder he had ground down to the consistency of flour! He switched to the 44 Special and the rest is history. Bob Hagel wrote in a 1967 issu...

Uberti 45 Colt Cylinder wall measurments 45 Colt - chamber/chamber wall .042, chamber/outside wall .068 - 15,900 CUP/14,000psi 45 ACP - chamber/chamber wall .048, chamber/outside wall .068 - 21,000 psi 44 WCF- chamber/chamber wall .058, chamber/outside wall .071 - 13,000 CUP 357 Mag-chamber/chamber ...

You really really think that .009 inch of material is going to keep you that much safer? I wonder how much thicker/bigger Uberti's 44 Magnum/454 Casual "Buckhorn" cylinder, as well as the 44-40 cylinder/frame is at the so called "weak end" of the cartridge. Time for another phon...

Uberti 1873 "Buckhorn" had fluted cylinders and small grips. The Callahan has longer grips and no fluted cylinders.

The highspeed 44-40's were only for use in the Winchester 92. The case diameter of the 44-40 and 45 colt are the same at the cylinders weakest point, in the rear where the lock bolt notches are. I did mention what the high velocity cartridges were made for. Also they were not to be used in the weak...

Don't forget that the Uberti Cattleman also uses a 45 ACP cylinder. I contacted Uberti and was told the cylinders are all made from the same blanks. The 45 ACP Winchester "white box" is listed at 21,000 cup. The cylinder walls of the ACP are just a tad thicker than the 45 Colt. I measured ...

Every time I discover a great post, I see John right in the middle of it

Anyone want to sell a High Grade?

Personally, being somewhat of a traditionalist, the original 44-40 smokeless rounds contained 14 -17 grs. of powder, depending on the propellant used. THerefore, the vast majority of my 44-40 cartridges are loaded with powders within that range. I find that 2400 and 4227 to be excellent in that rol...

Another forum with the same guys

Again, great topic, pards and information!