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I think you did a pretty good job of capturing the lighter/blonder coloring common in that era. Here's a 2000 Trapper Carbine above a 1978 XTR:

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Read about too many folks taking one to the head & surviving. #1 cracks the shell. #2 scrambles the yolk. I agree a head shot any old place in the head is not guaranteed. The area of the head that will hit the brain is actually about half the size of the head from the front and a bit less than ...

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Both the bunnies and the cows are potential targets.

We used to use a 9422M to put down cattle when be butchered them. Range was normally about 18" with a shot to the forehead. Instantly effective.

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Oh man, if this is the case... you're a genius! The only crimp die I have is the lee factory crimp die, which roll crimp die do you recommend? I've never used such crimp before, so this will be interesting to figure out. That sure is a heavy load! I don't have any 2400 powder right now but do have ...

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... differences in ambient temperature has an impact on the measured velocity... Excellent points. In my experience with .45 Colt, where the bore volume expansion ratio per inch is even higher than in .357 Mag I don't follow this one, though. The case and cartridge lengths as well as the bullet SD'...

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I recently bought a slightly used chiappa 1892 lever action (puma bounty hunter to be exact) and I started reloading 45 colt for this one gun. So I loaded up some "test/dummy" rounds to make sure they cycle etc and I for the love of me can't get them to cycle plus it really scratches up t...

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Thank's for the pictures and responses. I spent the other day at the gun club shooting it with .38 Spec. 158gr. LSWC and factory .357 Magnum loads. The beveling/throating/chamfering of the chamber is causing bulging of the case in the web area. The chamber is more egg shaped, off set to the 5 o'clo...

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Which brand Level III Kevlar vest are you wearing ??? We have penetrated level III with the Glock 20 (6.6 LW barrel)shooting the Underwood 155gr Bonded ammo @ 1630 fps with vest being attached to 3/4" plywood sheathing. ??? The double/triple shooting stuff to try and stop them-------not for me...

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I don't worry about body armor. I don't care if it's a .380, a 357 SIG, or a hot-loaded 10mm. I won't trust any normal-sized pistol to perform against body armor. If I suspect body armor , it's pelvis or head shots. It's a bit of an aside, but this is something to think about for folks who wear bod...

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tman wrote:Deer hit with a 243 DRN. Deer hit with a .300mag.runs a mile before it drops. bad guy hit with a .22 DRN. bad guy takes a mag of .45 and stabs cop before He dies. No absolutes in this world

Bullet placement is EVERYTHING.

Speed, power, and above all ACCURACY count.

It's an absolute.

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Ok, so the biggest thing I am taking away from all of this is that practice is paramount. By the way, I am meeting a friend at Targetmaster Gun Range in Garland in a little more than an hour. That's pretty much it. 1) You need to be able to quickly draw the weapon, get it into operation and get eff...

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Why not----------when you can???????? Because when chooseing a carry gun/cartridge combo, the question is not, "What can I do just because I can?" but "What will best fit my needs, and secondly, my preferences?" The Why not when you can I meant (if you have the availability to a...

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I especially like the info on the 357 magnum supporting the fact that 16" is the optimum barrel length for this cartridge efficiency wise. You start losing energy when you go any longer. I love my 94AE 357 mag Trapper! :wink: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Ahnkochee/TEPPOJUTSU/357veloc...

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Mr. Murphy your post was thrilling and amusing. But I stand by my concerns. Most americans are not ex military or ex police. Most are not going to have years of training and muscle memory to correctly draw an automatic during a moment of crisis, panic, confusion or fear. Keeping an automatic chambe...

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I like the Marshall and Sanow data as it's based on real world shoots rather than just lab tests. Over reliance on lab tests and ballistic gelatin to the exclusion of real world data was what led to the mistaken belief in the energy dump theories of the 1970s and 80s as well as the subsequent lots o...

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Throated similar to a 1911, would imply it's been "ramped". How much is too much is a matter of degree. Here are three examples of factory ramped .45 Colts. Here is the chamber on an Armi Sport Model 92 takedown: http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/SDBB57/25cf55d6-42ab-46d9-bddc-b162e...

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Only complaint I have is the magazine tube on mine seems not to want to stay where it belongs. It decided to abandon ship while they were out on the eastern NM plains scaring the jackrabbit population. Got back to the truck and it was missing! It's a problem when the carbine is empty, but when it h...

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Reads like you're on track for having a real good one for your needs. Really like those 9422 levers. Only complaint I have is the magazine tube on mine seems not to want to stay where it belongs. A previous one I owned, and sold to a good buddy for his boy, had the same problem. It decided to aband...

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I was less careful when I was younger and acquired some high frequency hearing loss from aviating, as well as from shooting without protection. There is a big difference among .22LR that is worth discussing. At one extreme, a HV .22LR from a 5" pistol is loud and the need for hearing protection...

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You won't regret buying it. They had steel magazine tubes until sometime in 1978, then brass after that so your's should be steel if it's original. My only complaint with the 9422 is that the inner magazine tube sometimes likes to stay in the case, when you pull the rifle out to put it back in the ...

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You won't regret buying it. They had steel magazine tubes until sometime in 1978, then brass after that so your's should be steel if it's original. My only complaint with the 9422 is that the inner magazine tube sometimes likes to stay in the case, when you pull the rifle out to put it back in the s...

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This one's been around a long time, and long since proven to be nothing but a good joke.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mrgorsky.asp

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The one I was looking at was NIB and had checkering and the stock and metal was glossy for $1099. You can't hardly find ammo for anything these days. If it's an XTR, the flats on the hammer and lever will also be highly polished, and it will be stamped "XTR". I'd probably pay that for one...

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The NRA museum is a bit under whelming and something of a disappointment. So I made the correct choice and went to the USMC museum, despite locals trying to tell me it was too far away to see . It was a whopping 39 miles from Reagan airport :roll: I've driven farther than that (plus 100 miles) to g...

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9422Ms go for more money as do the 9422 Trapper models. For a regular 9422, expect to pay $600 at a minimum for one in 95% or better condition with a 9422XTR going for $100 or so more. Plan on $750 to $800 for a Trapper in .22 LR in 95% or better condition, when you can find one. I found one a few y...

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It would need a very tall front sight.

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I agree with the above, the USMC museum is first rate in terms of the displays. I've been there 3 times and would go again in a heart beat. The NRA museum is a bit under whelming and something of a disappointment. The computer displays to access information on the weapons displayed can be awkward to...

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Nothing really new to add here, but here's what I do: I develop the alloy using 9 pounds of clip on WW and 1 pound of 50/50 bar solder and cast 250 gr PB RNFP bullets. The powder charges are metered with a black powder compatible measure and for both .45-70 and .45 Colt I use a drop tube to allow a ...

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NIce looking 9422s, but they need saddle rings.

I have a 9422 trapper as well as a 20.5" 9422 and added saddle ring take down screws to both of them.

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...make me think that my life is worth less to Remington than a police officer's (or, soldier's) life is worth. That is a popular notion all across society these days. Ironic, in that the police/soldier is supposed to so highly-value the civilian's life that he or she is ready to risk theirs to pro...

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If course, you are correct... it has to be 18 oz canvas. That makes sense. Another comparison between modern sleep systems and the vintage canvas bedroll... what they did with the bedroll as a "bivvy sack" works very well with canvas because it is somewhat vapor permeable. Even water repe...

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The fixed stock weighs the same as a plastic tele-stock. I have a slick side SP1 upper with 20" pencil weight barrel on the same A2 style lower and it weighs 7.0 pounds with sling and magazine - 0.2 pounds lighted than my M16A1 upper on an NDS A1 lower again with magazine and sling. So the lon...

Model 52B

The fixed stock weighs the same as a plastic tele-stock. I have a slick side SP1 upper with 20" pencil weight barrel on the same A2 style lower and it weighs 7.0 pounds with sling and magazine - 0.2 pounds lighted than my M16A1 upper on an NDS A1 lower again with magazine and sling. So the long...

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The M16/AR-15 platform is a great platform, and the A1 type had some advantages in simplicity, etc. I like the IDF short M16 style. The light weight and simplicity is kind of nice with the current trend of strapping every thin possible to ARs these days. I agree. I really appreciated the balance an...

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Agreed. I don't know who added the handwritten note but if they're referring to the all up weight of the canvas it has to be way off. Edit: On reflection, it's more likely to be 18 oz canvas ( i.e., 18 oz per sq yard), which makes for almost 15 3/4 lbs all up. The notation is a rough conversion fro...

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I'm using 9.6 grains of Unique under a 250 gr RNFP cast bullet for a casual plinking load in my Model 92. There is adequate pressure to quickly seal the case and properly obturate the bullet. I've found that my Model 94 and both my Model 92s all prefer a .454 diameter bullet, and you'll find that pr...

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Currently, I am back to using Red Dot loads that I used 25 years ago as I found 8 pounds at a killer price. At present finding much of anything at any price can be a challenge. However Unique is nearly as flexible in the pistol calibers mentioned above AND has much more utility in rifle calibers (I ...

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The price difference between a new Heritage Rough Rider and a used Single Six in VG to excellent condition is about $100, and the used Single Six is a much better value at only $100 more. Over time, the Single Six will hold up extremely well and will enjoy excellent parts and service support, while ...

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Somewhere in the last 30-40 years the no-oil thing cropped up. I've heard it from Army instructors, Air Force instructors and even Marines. Not everyone believes it, usually guys who've actually had to use them oil the hell out of them (I know we did doing ROTC in the 90s, the instructors were spra...

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One of the problems with GI comparisons of the M16A1 to the A2 is that most of the guys who shot both in the military shot worn out A1s that had been through the mill while the A2s were brand new or nearly new. As an example, I went through three M16A1s in OCS before I was issued one that would shoo...

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If'n yer gonna examine what you see in the movies... how is it that a cowboy put a little bedroll and a pair of saddle bags on his horse, but ended up in camp with a coffee pot, tin cup, plate, and a fry pan? (...and sometimes a big wooden box as in True Grit 2010!) That's easy - that had it all sh...

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Given the trade, you did well.

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Most likely I'll take my Big Bore 94 in .375 Win.

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I have also replaced all my conventional sighted rifles with tang mounted aperture sights. The aperture effectively increases your depth of field, and brings the front site into focus. Pistols were becoming a problem and while a pair of +1 readers worked fine at 25 yards or less, they made the targe...

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This is not really about gun rights or open carry, it's about a belligerent person impeding police officers and then resisting arrest. He really is not someone I want being a gun rights poster child as he is quite frankly a jerk and a moron who makes gun owners look bad. We have enough of that stuff...

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Learn something new every day. I am so glad you posted the link. It would be fun to have the coordinates to ones that are on public land. Some enterprising hang glider pilot could make the trip and write a very entertaining account... /Grizz If I recall it was in the mid 1980s when a helicopter pil...

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In addition to restaurants that serve alcohol, this will finally allow concealed carry in theaters and other venues that charge admission: " Section 3 authorizes a person with a concealed carry permit to carry a concealed handgun at assemblies where an admission fee is charged and any establish...

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All modern defense calibers are about the same performers with modern hollowpoints. 9mm 147 grain Federal HST is what the local departments use and it tends,when put in the right place, to do the trick with 1-2 rounds or so. Three recent shootings involving 9 and .40 using HST were over with less t...

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You're of the right age to remember or have experienced how the Vietnam guys got treated by the WW2 guys in the VFW and American Legion. My dad was one of those. I've never tried to join the VFW or American Legion despite qualifying for both, but quite a few guys scattered all over the country (as ...

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I always liked the C&S SFS trigger mod, although I've never had one. Anyway, I read up on the C&S Pathfinder HP. Sounded interesting, until I got to this: "The recoil springs must be changed every 500 rounds to ensure proper function, as they are so short that they will fatigue and los...

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